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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Not butting in for Mark, just my opinion.

    It can never be a good thing because if you believe it is a good thing then you believe that to kill another human being is ok.
    Yes I believe that killing another human being is ok as long as it is done to protect others, punish a scumbag on death row or to protect yourself and property.

    It would always be better to avoid killing if possible. Otherwise there becomes something of a blur as to who is 'good'.
    Good men sometimes have to kill evil men.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes I believe that killing another human being is ok as long as it is done to protect others, punish a scumbag on death row or to protect yourself and property.
    right we have differences of opinion on what is good.

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    Good men sometimes have to kill evil men.
    People who believe they are 'god' believe they know the difference. Really it is just an excuse for revenge. It may be 'good' with someone who has never developed beyond a rudimentary good/bad idea of morality but it certainly is not a particularly mentally healthy way to be.


    Is revenge good - Of course not, it is not much better than the original action. Does revenge feel good - sometimes. Does the good feeling of revenge produce good - rarely. Does the good feeling of revenge remain - no. Does inflicting revenge on someone make one a better person - very definitely no.



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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
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    People who believe they are 'god' believe they know the difference.

    That is utter nonsense. Are you saying that you can not tell the difference? You do not need to be God to know that deliberately taking a innocent life without just cause is evil or that molesting children is evil or that many other things are evil.

    Really it is just an excuse for revenge. It may be 'good' with someone who has never developed beyond a rudimentary good/bad idea of morality but it certainly is not a particularly mentally healthy way to be.


    Is revenge good - Of course not, it is not much better than the original action. Does revenge feel good - sometimes. Does the good feeling of revenge produce good - rarely. Does the good feeling of revenge remain - no. Does inflicting revenge on someone make one a better person - very definitely no.

    That is more nonsense. Its not about revenge or feeling good its about permanently stopping someone. A dead murderer can not kill again, a dead rapist can not rape again and a dead burglar can not burglarize a home again.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is utter nonsense. Are you saying that you can not tell the difference? You do not need to be God to know that deliberately taking a innocent life without just cause is evil or that molesting children is evil or that many other things are evil.
    I am saying that things are not as simple as good/evil in the main. I would say it was 'evil' to take another person's life except in self defence if I was to use your terminology - which I don't. Hence the concept of good/evil is not really as simple as you seem to believe.

    Equally thankfully though not every child molested becomes a child molester, child molesters are invariably people who were molested as children. The victim has become the persecutor. Do you see the victim underneath the persecutor. No, you just judge the one action you see.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    That is more nonsense. Its not about revenge or feeling good its about permanently stopping someone. A dead murderer can not kill again, a dead rapist can not rape again and a dead burglar can not burglarize a home again.
    You can permanently stop someone by putting them in jail and/or healing them - though that is a lot harder and expensive.

    I absolutely believe society has a responsibility to protect itself from dangerous people, I just do not believe I am god and have the right to choose when someone lives or dies.

    As for killing burglars - we send people who do things like shoot fleeing burglars in the back to jail.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is utter nonsense. Are you saying that you can not tell the difference? You do not need to be God to know that deliberately taking a innocent life without just cause is evil or that molesting children is evil or that many other things are evil.
    Maybe some people need a god to know that. Just like some may need a god to understand that killing humans is always a bad thing.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe some people need a god to know that. Just like some may need a god to understand that killing humans is always a bad thing.

    I'm using 'god' as a concept. In this case someone who believes they have ultimate knowledge to know what is good and evil.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How can you not say it was good if it was necessary? Like for example killing an intruder, stopping an attempted murderer or rapist or killing a serial killer? By eliminating those people you ensure that they will not harm anyone again.
    Those may be necessary, although wounding them may serve the same purpose.

    Necessary, however, does not equal good.

    If one of your close siblings or best friend - in other words, someone who you hold dear - for some reason broke into your house and tried to kill you, and you killed them in self-defense...Would you consider it to have been a good incident?

    Or a bad, but necessary one?
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Those may be necessary, although wounding them may serve the same purpose.

    Necessary, however, does not equal good.

    If one of your close siblings or best friend - in other words, someone who you hold dear - for some reason broke into your house and tried to kill you, and you killed them in self-defense...Would you consider it to have been a good incident?

    Or a bad, but necessary one?
    Since I know the individual I would be upset.Then I would be severely pissed by the obvious act of betrayal by that close sibling or friend. Then I would most likely consider it a good thing to have taken his life since that individual betrayed me by breaking into my home and attempting to take my life.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I am saying that things are not as simple as good/evil in the main. I would say it was 'evil' to take another person's life except in self defence if I was to use your terminology - which I don't. Hence the concept of good/evil is not really as simple as you seem to believe.

    Equally thankfully though not every child molested becomes a child molester, child molesters are invariably people who were molested as children. The victim has become the persecutor. Do you see the victim underneath the persecutor. No, you just judge the one action you see.



    You can permanently stop someone by putting them in jail and/or healing them - though that is a lot harder and expensive.

    I absolutely believe society has a responsibility to protect itself from dangerous people, I just do not believe I am god and have the right to choose when someone lives or dies.

    As for killing burglars - we send people who do things like shoot fleeing burglars in the back to jail.

    Some acts are obvious that it is evil, you do not need to be a god to figure that out.Nor do you need to be a god to permanently eliminate a threat. A bad child hood does not excuse any evil acts of evil you committed,nor does being victimized in the past give you a free pass for victimizing others.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since I know the individual I would be upset.Then I would be severely pissed by the obvious act of betrayal by that close sibling or friend. Then I would most likely consider it a good thing to have taken his life since that individual betrayed me by breaking into my home and attempting to take my life.
    You wouldn't consider it bad in any way?
    Having to kill your best friend or sibling?
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