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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That something can be neither good nor bad, and hence reasoning the perception of an action as a "bad thing" with "I can't see it as a good thing" is a logical fallacy.
    Logical fallacies are pretty irrelevant in a thread where you are asking if an action is always "bad." "Good" and "bad" are terms relative to the individual using them.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Logical fallacies are pretty irrelevant in a thread where you are asking if an action is always "bad." "Good" and "bad" are terms relative to the individual using them.
    Please re-read my comment in order to understand it better.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the terms being relative to the individual's view, but with the understanding that there is a situation when something is neither good nor bad, and hence one cannot reason his perception of something as bad simply because he cannot perceive it as good.

    I see nothing to do with the term's relativity here. Absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    In another thread(Human shields), a poster has argued that whenever you kill a person, no matter the situation, the result, or the person's deeds, it is always a bad thing.

    Is it so?

    Just to clarify, the question is not if killing a human can be a good thing, but if it is always a bad thing.
    When one person kills another, a driving stimuli forces him do something he wouldn't normally do, not good nor bad, just an uncontrollable reaction.

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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Please re-read my comment in order to understand it better.
    I'm trying, but your position makes very little sense to me. Maybe I'm not getting something.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the terms being relative to the individual's view, but with the understanding that there is a situation when something is neither good nor bad, and hence one cannot reason his perception of something as bad simply because he cannot perceive it as good.

    I see nothing to do with the term's relativity here. Absolutely nothing.
    Okay. I recognize that there are neutral situations. I still think killing a human is always a bad thing, though sometimes necessary to preserve innocent life. What now?
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I'm trying, but your position makes very little sense to me. Maybe I'm not getting something.
    That's not a maybe.
    Okay. I recognize that there are neutral situations. I still think killing a human is always a bad thing, though sometimes necessary to preserve innocent life. What now?
    I can see your misunderstanding now.
    You have perceived, for whatever reason, that I'm trying to deliver a counter-argument to The Mark who was stating that he believes killing someone is always a bad thing.

    I have merely pointed out that the reasoning he has used for his opinion was not valid, since he has reasoned the notion that killing is always a bad thing with the notion that "something that is not good" equals "something that is bad" - or rather - "something that is not bad" equals "something that is good".

    I have given examples and supporting arguments as to why the latter notion is a logical fallacy.
    Do you see my point, now?
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's not a maybe.
    I can see your misunderstanding now.
    You have perceived, for whatever reason, that I'm trying to deliver a counter-argument to The Mark who was stating that he believes killing someone is always a bad thing.

    I have merely pointed out that the reasoning he has used for his opinion was not valid, since he has reasoned the notion that killing is always a bad thing with the notion that "something that is not good" equals "something that is bad" - or rather - "something that is not bad" equals "something that is good".

    I have given examples and supporting arguments as to why the latter notion is a logical fallacy.
    Do you see my point, now?
    Thank you for clarifying. I thought you were arguing that killing a human being falls into the neutral category, neither a good nor bad concurrence. I should have eaten my Wheaties this morning.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Thank you for clarifying. I thought you were arguing that killing a human being falls into the neutral category, neither a good nor bad concurrence. I should have eaten my Wheaties this morning.
    No harm was done.

    Eat your Wheaties from now on.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Can't it be not good and not bad at the same time?
    I suppose.

    Perhaps I should restate.

    IMO, killing another sentient being is never a good thing.

    However, also IMO, it is sometimes sadly necessary.

    Some may equate "necessary" with “good”.

    I do not.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post

    Some may equate "necessary" with “good”.

    I do not.
    How can you not say it was good if it was necessary? Like for example killing an intruder, stopping an attempted murderer or rapist or killing a serial killer?By eliminating those people you ensure that they will not harm anyone again.
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    Re: Is killing a human always a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How can you not say it was good if it was necessary? Like for example killing an intruder, stopping an attempted murderer or rapist or killing a serial killer?By eliminating those people you ensure that they will not harm anyone again.
    Not butting in for Mark, just my opinion.

    It can never be a good thing because if you believe it is a good thing then you believe that to kill another human being is ok.

    It would always be better to avoid killing if possible. Otherwise there becomes something of a blur as to who is 'good'.

    Killing in self defence is 100% acceptable but most people do not feel good about being put in that position, do not believe that what they did was good. It was necessary but not to be wanted and to be avoided if possible.
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