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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Certainly, it would probably help, at least for those who aren't aware that their employees are using stolen ID, etc. I've known of people who "borrowed" ID so they could work, having a national database that could identify the same ID being used in different areas would help crack down on those people.

    Wouldn't that need a national database of dna,hair samples and finger prints?

    It's not a complete solution, but it can be one part of a comprehensive plan.
    If they are already not verifying the legal status of their employees, already hiring illegals why would this help? A compromise only meaningful if both ends of the deal are held up. I do not see the government using this to verify the legal status of employees but rather an excuse to get all or least most people's personal info and DNA stored in a database.




    No, they just make sure that all of the paperwork within their particular pervue are properly filled out. What's wrong with having immigration do the same thing?


    Nothing is wrong with having immigration do the same thing.We still do not need a national ID for that.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    No I don't. But I think that fear of "teh big bad gubberment" is grossly over-exaggerated. If they made me do it I'd hate it, but I wouldn't feel afraid of my life either.

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does a national ID stop those who already break the law from hiring illegals?
    You cant stop it, but you can make it much harder.

    So you can get a job at a company without ID?
    A legal job? No, since you need to give your employer tax data which include the ID for identification purposes.

    My driver's license does not have biometric data.
    Nor does my ID.. it is 50 years old. But Biometric data is the future. My ID does not even have a picture, that is how old it is . But it does have a unique number that is mine and only mine.

    Illegals are usually paid cash under the table. So how is it going to stop a scumbag who hires illegals?
    It aint. But it will make it harder to hirer, the more places you need your ID to function in society. A national ID will never get rid of the "shadow market" or what ever you call it. People will still hire a guy under the table for simple tasks because they can get away with it. That has nothing to do with a national ID... more to do with tax evasion.

    So giving them a few more things won't matter?
    Nope not really, especially if results in massive cost cutting in administrative costs... which it does if you do it right.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I think that the issue isn't about whether an ID scheme is good idea or not. Every country has an ID system, if not a compulsory national ID card. The UK has no national ID card but if people need to prove their identity they can do with passport, driving licence, whatever.

    The problem with National ID card schemes is if it becomes compulsory. To my Quixotic, lefty standpoint, the government has no right to demand I identify myself on the spot, whenever they choose. If I'm getting on with my business, bothering no one, getting on with life, the government has got no business demanding I identify myself. I am a citizen, not a subject.

    Here in Spain there is an ID scheme and it is compulsory. It is also discriminatory. I am an EU national, legally resident in Spain. I am registered as a resident, tax payer and home-owner. I do not get issued with a National ID card, but a certificate with my NIE (ID number for foreign residents). I am legally obliged to carry this A4 paper certificate as well as my passport wherever I go. I resent being asked and resent having to carry impractical documents that no one else is being required to do.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not want illegals getting jobs periodYou would prefer to see them starve???. I just do not trust the government to uphold their end of the deal,nor do I want national ID.Besides why would people who already knowingly break the law by hiring illegals somehow give a rats ass about a national ID card?
    James has some good points, believe it or not..
    I have doubts that we have the quality of men to implement this national ID system, at least now, maybe in the future..
    Our government must be doing, at all times, everything possible to instill trust..
    A thousand page document(when 10 pages should suffice) does not do this..
    Congress - wake up.
    I think its a good idea and should work in controlling the so-called illegal immigrants...If Mexico were not so much an open sewer, maybe this problem would go away...If America were to be non-racist and tolerant, maybe this problem would go away...
    As far as the medical records go...These should be much easier for medical personnel to access...This area is a mess.
    How is the German system working?? Or the French system..
    And why not have just a state only system??

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think that the issue isn't about whether an ID scheme is good idea or not. Every country has an ID system, if not a compulsory national ID card. The UK has no national ID card but if people need to prove their identity they can do with passport, driving license, whatever.

    The problem with National ID card schemes is if it becomes compulsory. To my Quixotic, lefty standpoint, the government has no right to demand I identify myself on the spot, whenever they choose. If I'm getting on with my business, bothering no one, getting on with life, the government has got no business demanding I identify myself. I am a citizen, not a subject.

    Here in Spain there is an ID scheme and it is compulsory. It is also discriminatory. I am an EU national, legally resident in Spain. I am registered as a resident, tax payer and home-owner. I do not get issued with a National ID card, but a certificate with my NIE (ID number for foreign residents). I am legally obliged to carry this A4 paper certificate as well as my passport wherever I go. I resent being asked and resent having to carry impractical documents that no one else is being required to do.
    I might feel the same way, I have no love for paperwork, nor do I like being treated as a suspect by the police or so-called authorities..
    But, we do have problems, and because of this the people suffer.
    Our government must improve itself, and the police must learn that not all men are criminals..
    If I were a policeman, I might believe this, that all men are criminals..
    So there must be a system in place that allows for the chaff to be separated from the wheat..

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    James has some good points, believe it or not..
    I have doubts that we have the quality of men to implement this national ID system, at least now, maybe in the future..
    Our government must be doing, at all times, everything possible to instill trust..
    A thousand page document(when 10 pages should suffice) does not do this..
    Congress - wake up.
    I think its a good idea and should work in controlling the so-called illegal immigrants...If Mexico were not so much an open sewer, maybe this problem would go away...If America were to be non-racist and tolerant, maybe this problem would go away...
    As far as the medical records go...These should be much easier for medical personnel to access...This area is a mess.
    How is the German system working?? Or the French system..
    And why not have just a state only system??

    Mexico is not our problem.The people who should worry about Mexico are its citizens.Allowing Mexico to dump their citizens here in the US is not fixing Mexico. If you are worried about them starving then start a charity that feeds poor starving Mexicans.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Wouldn't that need a national database of dna,hair samples and finger prints?
    Why would it? Right now, if there was a national employment database that checked every single social security number used, it would pick up that the same person with the same SSN is working for 4 different employers in 4 different states. That ought to raise some red flags and all four of those employees ought to be examined to find out which one is the real one and which ones, if illegal, ought to be deported.

    If they are already not verifying the legal status of their employees, already hiring illegals why would this help? A compromise only meaningful if both ends of the deal are held up. I do not see the government using this to verify the legal status of employees but rather an excuse to get all or least most people's personal info and DNA stored in a database.
    You're looking for a single solution that's going to solve all problems and that's just not realistic. A national ID and employment database will stop a lot of identity theft issues. For people who are getting paid under the table, that might require a different tactic, the ICE spot-checks I mentioned for instance. Stop being paranoid.

    Nothing is wrong with having immigration do the same thing.We still do not need a national ID for that.
    Immigration cannot do what the national ID does. Stop looking for a single all-encompassing solution for every problem under the sun and stop acting like the government is some big, bad boogieman. It's ridiculous on the face of it.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    jamesrage posted(I say no, I think this is just a an excuse to nationalize IDs with the hollow promises of enforcement. I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business)

    This particular piece is what is called a double negative, which becomes an affirmative.

    (it is not none of their business)

    Perhaps you would be kind enough to clarify your position?

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    While there are obvious benefits to such a card, the government's history with data privacy is about as reassuring as having a squirt gun during a Zombie Infestation.

    So No.
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