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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    It would all be in one place (the National ID introduced in UK has all data stored in one place)

    Whereas now, various rubbish bureaucracies have a hold of different parts of data about me and because I know UK quangos are so **** and disorganised, it works to my advantage.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes the classic fear mongering tactic. You carry a drivers license, does that conjure up the same fears?
    It doesn't currently have implanted biometric data or RFID. When CO starts to try to include those in the license, then I shall rally against it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Eh? If a national ID is issued to every citizen and legal resident and the ID is required to get things like bank accounts, or even jobs (for paying taxes), then how on earth can it exclude legal workers (unless by mistake.. **** happens). If anything it helps fight illegal workers and immigration, since they cant function in society without the ID.
    It will hardly do anything against illegal workers. They're not exactly on the payroll to be counted towards taxes and such anyway (employers tend not to really keep paper work). They are paid cash under the table and as for interaction in society....they have cash, why couldn't they? Maybe they don't get a bank account and keep their money in a mattress, but they still have cash. That's all you need. Everything else, Credit Cards, Checks, etc. are all just representations of cash.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I support the idea of a national ID, I don't necessarily support this specific plan. There are too many downsides that need to be addressed. Fix those problems, make it cheap and easy to use, require it across the board and you've got my vote.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?
    I'm 100% opposed to a national identification card, but 2 years ago I talk about this to other people I got shouted down as a conspiracy theorist. Some people get angry for some reason
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Coming from a country that has had a national ID system in place for 50 or so years, I can say it helps workers and employers big time.
    How does a national ID stop those who already break the law from hiring illegals?


    Well if it is specifically designed for that then sure, but if it is just an ID.. then no. The only reason I have ever given my ID to my employer was for tax purposes and bank verification details. Government never told me if I could work for a company or not lol.
    So you can get a job at a company without ID?

    Yes the classic fear mongering tactic. You carry a drivers license, does that conjure up the same fears?
    My driver's license does not have biometric data.

    Eh? If a national ID is issued to every citizen and legal resident and the ID is required to get things like bank accounts, or even jobs (for paying taxes), then how on earth can it exclude legal workers (unless by mistake.. **** happens). If anything it helps fight illegal workers and immigration, since they cant function in society without the ID.
    Illegals are usually paid cash under the table. So how is it going to stop a scumbag who hires illegals?





    You already do.. drivers license, tax, birth, bank details, and so and so on. And that is just the stuff they legally have.. just think the amount of info that the NSA has.
    So giving them a few more things won't matter?
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does a national ID stop those who already break the law from hiring illegals?
    It doesn't, that takes immigration and employment enforcement. Who ever claimed it would magically make it happen?

    So you can get a job at a company without ID?
    I've never gotten a job in my life where I didn't need to provide the company with ID. How is this any different?

    My driver's license does not have biometric data.
    And I'm sure it's quite easy to duplicate too. Licenses have started getting more data encoded on them for years, mine used to just be a piece of plastic with a picture, now it's got a magnetic strip on the back containing who knows what information. It won't be too long until they have embedded smart chips too.

    Illegals are usually paid cash under the table. So how is it going to stop a scumbag who hires illegals?
    ICE officials making spot-checks to every employer? After all, the fire department does it already, so does the health inspector. Existing solution to an existing problem.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It doesn't, that takes immigration and employment enforcement. Who ever claimed it would magically make it happen?
    Those who are pushing for the Real ID/national ID claim it would.Which is one of the reasons why it is being pushed in the first place.



    I've never gotten a job in my life where I didn't need to provide the company with ID. How is this any different?
    So in other words you do need permission from the government to get a job.


    And I'm sure it's quite easy to duplicate too. Licenses have started getting more data encoded on them for years, mine used to just be a piece of plastic with a picture, now it's got a magnetic strip on the back containing who knows what information. It won't be too long until they have embedded smart chips too.
    I would rather that ID/ dirvers's license be just a piece plastic with a photo in it and nothing.The thing that makes incrementation so successful is that people do not notice **** when it is little steps,however all those little steps usually lead to something big. I would think that if order for biometic data of ID cards to be successful then that means the government would have to have a database with the finger prints,dna and other **** on ever American, I do not want to give the government a chance.

    ICE officials making spot-checks to every employer?
    Not that I know of.

    After all, the fire department does it already, so does the health inspector. Existing solution to an existing problem.

    These people usually do not look into the employment records or ask employees if there are here legally.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?

    I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business.
    Do you have a passport? How many Americans do you think have one? Those are biometric.
    Another thing is the corporations themselves starting to introduce more and more biomtetric "security"..

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.
    An ID card other than a passport is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job.
    But America is not free anymore, this is the way its been for a long time. Social security number is a government permission to work. Anyone "new"(immigrants) needs a work permission.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.
    Agreed.

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    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.
    Same.. And aside from biometrics being unfortunate in general, it is also a security risk in my opinion. Biometric passports with RFID chips on them compromises the whole system and will in the end making faking and stealing of IDs far easier.

    Imagine when such data as fingerprints, DNA and iris patterns are available all over(including the internet). We all know how vulnerable data is.
    How the heck anyone thinks it is more difficult to copy and paste data the correct way than fiddle around with a passport to make it look real when its fake, is beyond me.

    Imagine the grudge of the future when someone just wants to pay back at you, they steal your hair, copy your fingerprints, kills someone and plants evidence against you, voila, rest of your life in jail(in the US).


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    Agreed. But these days the governments are tightening the grip around the people and treating everyone like criminals and scum, and surveiling everyone. Thats the way forward, another way forward is more government, and them controlling our lives, without the people having any say.

    Imagine politicians with biometric data how they can easily stop people who are against them. Planting evidence, blackmails and so fourth..

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Those who are pushing for the Real ID/national ID claim it would.Which is one of the reasons why it is being pushed in the first place.
    Certainly, it would probably help, at least for those who aren't aware that their employees are using stolen ID, etc. I've known of people who "borrowed" ID so they could work, having a national database that could identify the same ID being used in different areas would help crack down on those people. It's not a complete solution, but it can be one part of a comprehensive plan.

    So in other words you do need permission from the government to get a job.
    Yup, welcome to reality.

    Not that I know of.
    The point is, they ought to be. Every single employer out there ought to be checked at least bi-annually to make sure the legal documents are proper and the tax documents are filed correctly. Those that consistently do not do these things get large fines. Those who are major offenders lose their business licenses.

    These people usually do not look into the employment records or ask employees if there are here legally.
    No, they just make sure that all of the paperwork within their particular pervue are properly filled out. What's wrong with having immigration do the same thing?
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I'm absolutely against it. The Federal government is far too large and intrusive as it is.

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