"The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión
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You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
I support the idea of a national ID, I don't necessarily support this specific plan. There are too many downsides that need to be addressed. Fix those problems, make it cheap and easy to use, require it across the board and you've got my vote.
So you can get a job at a company without ID?
Well if it is specifically designed for that then sure, but if it is just an ID.. then no. The only reason I have ever given my ID to my employer was for tax purposes and bank verification details. Government never told me if I could work for a company or not lol.
My driver's license does not have biometric data.Yes the classic fear mongering tactic. You carry a drivers license, does that conjure up the same fears?
Illegals are usually paid cash under the table. So how is it going to stop a scumbag who hires illegals?Eh? If a national ID is issued to every citizen and legal resident and the ID is required to get things like bank accounts, or even jobs (for paying taxes), then how on earth can it exclude legal workers (unless by mistake.. **** happens). If anything it helps fight illegal workers and immigration, since they cant function in society without the ID.
So giving them a few more things won't matter?
You already do.. drivers license, tax, birth, bank details, and so and so on. And that is just the stuff they legally have.. just think the amount of info that the NSA has.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
I've never gotten a job in my life where I didn't need to provide the company with ID. How is this any different?So you can get a job at a company without ID?
And I'm sure it's quite easy to duplicate too. Licenses have started getting more data encoded on them for years, mine used to just be a piece of plastic with a picture, now it's got a magnetic strip on the back containing who knows what information. It won't be too long until they have embedded smart chips too.My driver's license does not have biometric data.
ICE officials making spot-checks to every employer? After all, the fire department does it already, so does the health inspector. Existing solution to an existing problem.Illegals are usually paid cash under the table. So how is it going to stop a scumbag who hires illegals?
So in other words you do need permission from the government to get a job.I've never gotten a job in my life where I didn't need to provide the company with ID. How is this any different?
I would rather that ID/ dirvers's license be just a piece plastic with a photo in it and nothing.The thing that makes incrementation so successful is that people do not notice **** when it is little steps,however all those little steps usually lead to something big. I would think that if order for biometic data of ID cards to be successful then that means the government would have to have a database with the finger prints,dna and other **** on ever American, I do not want to give the government a chance.And I'm sure it's quite easy to duplicate too. Licenses have started getting more data encoded on them for years, mine used to just be a piece of plastic with a picture, now it's got a magnetic strip on the back containing who knows what information. It won't be too long until they have embedded smart chips too.
Not that I know of.ICE officials making spot-checks to every employer?
After all, the fire department does it already, so does the health inspector. Existing solution to an existing problem.
These people usually do not look into the employment records or ask employees if there are here legally.
Cicero Marcus Tullius
Another thing is the corporations themselves starting to introduce more and more biomtetric "security"..
Imagine when such data as fingerprints, DNA and iris patterns are available all over(including the internet). We all know how vulnerable data is.
How the heck anyone thinks it is more difficult to copy and paste data the correct way than fiddle around with a passport to make it look real when its fake, is beyond me.
Imagine the grudge of the future when someone just wants to pay back at you, they steal your hair, copy your fingerprints, kills someone and plants evidence against you, voila, rest of your life in jail(in the US).
Imagine politicians with biometric data how they can easily stop people who are against them. Planting evidence, blackmails and so fourth..
We are developing the wrong ways.
Europe is illegally occupied by the US
Certainly, it would probably help, at least for those who aren't aware that their employees are using stolen ID, etc. I've known of people who "borrowed" ID so they could work, having a national database that could identify the same ID being used in different areas would help crack down on those people. It's not a complete solution, but it can be one part of a comprehensive plan.Originally Posted by jamesrage
Yup, welcome to reality.So in other words you do need permission from the government to get a job.
The point is, they ought to be. Every single employer out there ought to be checked at least bi-annually to make sure the legal documents are proper and the tax documents are filed correctly. Those that consistently do not do these things get large fines. Those who are major offenders lose their business licenses.Not that I know of.
No, they just make sure that all of the paperwork within their particular pervue are properly filled out. What's wrong with having immigration do the same thing?These people usually do not look into the employment records or ask employees if there are here legally.
I'm absolutely against it. The Federal government is far too large and intrusive as it is.