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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    This is already the case. Can't get a legitimate job without two forms of ID. If anything, this move will help American workers by making it that much more difficult for illegal aliens to take their jobs.
    The jobs they tend to take aren't the one's looking at 2 forms of ID.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I've read the same books you have. It's a long stretch from carrying a government ID to "Ihre papieren bitte" and government roadblocks.
    Is it? Why not just tack it on to all the DUI check points and random searches they do there? Seems like it's actually not very far away in the least. And then how long till there is a law against not having your ID when a cop asks you to identify yourself? It's not as far away as some would like to think it is.

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    Small price to pay for the ability to track criminals and foreigners attempting to work illegally.
    I'll take those over an abusive government which feels the need to monitor its citizens and require they be able to ID themselves at their leisure any day of the week.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    It will happen anyway.There are millions of morons who will give up their privacy for "safety".
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    This is already the case. Can't get a legitimate job without two forms of ID. If anything, this move will help American workers by making it that much more difficult for illegal aliens to take their jobs.
    How would this stop those who already break the law in the first place by hiring illegals?
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I like my Swiss national ID card, it allows me to travel all over Europe and parts of North Africa without having to carry a passport around. There's no biometric data on it, tho.
    Don't take this the wrong way but your country is the size of one of our states.
    It's more or less the equivalent to a state ID.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?


    I say no, I think this is just a an excuse to nationalize IDs with the hollow promises of enforcement. I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business


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    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.

    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.

    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.

    Third, the system will exclude millions of legal workers by accident and fail to catch the majority of undocumented immigrants. For instance, if E-Verify were instituted nation-wide 3.6 million Americans would be denied employment each year and have to visit the Social Security Administration to correct their records. The employer either fires them or delays training. Will a biometric ID card make this system better? How does that help American workers?

    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV. Senator Schumer doesn’t know squat about running a business. The last thing an employer wants to do is spend time at the DMV when he could be spending it improving his business. And all this during an economic slump!

    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    No, it serves no purpose and is just another colossal waste of money.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way but your country is the size of one of our states.
    It's more or less the equivalent to a state ID.
    I don't see how size matters in any way. Switzerland may be small, but it's got 26 "states" that are sometimes as different as night and day and a federal government much like yours. It's the exact same thing on a smaller scale.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't see how size matters in any way. Switzerland may be small, but it's got 26 "states" that are sometimes as different as night and day and a federal government much like yours. It's the exact same thing on a smaller scale.
    Well most people in each state, stay in their respective state.
    That's not to say they don't travel outside but in all they shop in live in their state.
    Their state ID serves it purpose for that.

    There is no reason for a Federal ID, I don't travel to various states regularly and even if I do my state ID is sufficient.
    It's mostly the scale of implementation, which costs tons of money and it's unneeded.

    The Feds want to put their hand in another cookie jar.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well most people in each state, state in their respective state.
    That's not to say they travel outside but in all they shop in live in their state.
    Their state ID serves it purpose for that.

    There is no reason for a Federal ID, I don't travel to various states regularly and even if I do my state ID is sufficient.
    It's mostly the scale of implementation, which costs tons of money and it's unneeded.

    The Feds want to put their hand in another cookie jar.
    We don't have state IDs, I suppose if we did and each state recognized other states IDs I wouldn't see the need for a federal ID either. You may have a point.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    No, I don't support the idea. I'm not afraid of the government having my biometric data or whatever, I just don't think that a national ID program would be effective at stopping the hiring of illegals and it would cause problems for businesses, so it seems wasteful to me.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.
    Coming from a country that has had a national ID system in place for 50 or so years, I can say it helps workers and employers big time.

    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.
    Well if it is specifically designed for that then sure, but if it is just an ID.. then no. The only reason I have ever given my ID to my employer was for tax purposes and bank verification details. Government never told me if I could work for a company or not lol.

    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.
    Yes the classic fear mongering tactic. You carry a drivers license, does that conjure up the same fears?

    Third, the system will exclude millions of legal workers by accident and fail to catch the majority of undocumented immigrants. For instance, if E-Verify were instituted nation-wide 3.6 million Americans would be denied employment each year and have to visit the Social Security Administration to correct their records. The employer either fires them or delays training. Will a biometric ID card make this system better? How does that help American workers?
    Eh? If a national ID is issued to every citizen and legal resident and the ID is required to get things like bank accounts, or even jobs (for paying taxes), then how on earth can it exclude legal workers (unless by mistake.. **** happens). If anything it helps fight illegal workers and immigration, since they cant function in society without the ID.

    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV. Senator Schumer doesn’t know squat about running a business. The last thing an employer wants to do is spend time at the DMV when he could be spending it improving his business. And all this during an economic slump!
    Those costs would be minimal and the ability to streamline administration procedures in government, companies and intra companies would far far out weigh the minimal cost.

    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    You already do.. drivers license, tax, birth, bank details, and so and so on. And that is just the stuff they legally have.. just think the amount of info that the NSA has.
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