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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?


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    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?


    I say no, I think this is just a an excuse to nationalize IDs with the hollow promises of enforcement. I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business


    FOXNews.com - 5 Reasons Why America Should Steer Clear of a National ID Card

    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.

    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.

    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.

    Third, the system will exclude millions of legal workers by accident and fail to catch the majority of undocumented immigrants. For instance, if E-Verify were instituted nation-wide 3.6 million Americans would be denied employment each year and have to visit the Social Security Administration to correct their records. The employer either fires them or delays training. Will a biometric ID card make this system better? How does that help American workers?

    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV. Senator Schumer doesn’t know squat about running a business. The last thing an employer wants to do is spend time at the DMV when he could be spending it improving his business. And all this during an economic slump!

    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    I already have one though the Army, so I guess a civilian version isn't going to phase me.

    On the other hand, I volunteered to give all that information to Big-Bro. I wasn't drafted. The biometric ID is a proverbial bar-code tattooed on the back of your scull so Big-Bro can keep track of you. While this is not only acceptable, but preferable for managing Soldiers, imo it has no place in the free civilian society.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I'm totally against a national ID. It's already a pain in the butt to renew a driver's license. For that, you need a birth certificate and some other ID that is not your driver's license. That can make it extremely difficult for some people to get their license renewed.

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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?


    I say no, I think this is just a an excuse to nationalize IDs with the hollow promises of enforcement. I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business


    FOXNews.com - 5 Reasons Why America Should Steer Clear of a National ID Card

    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.

    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.

    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.

    Third, the system will exclude millions of legal workers by accident and fail to catch the majority of undocumented immigrants. For instance, if E-Verify were instituted nation-wide 3.6 million Americans would be denied employment each year and have to visit the Social Security Administration to correct their records. The employer either fires them or delays training. Will a biometric ID card make this system better? How does that help American workers?

    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV. Senator Schumer doesn’t know squat about running a business. The last thing an employer wants to do is spend time at the DMV when he could be spending it improving his business. And all this during an economic slump!

    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    We are already identified by a national ID card - or rather, a national ID number.

    It's a social security card/number.

    As far as having something else that gives us less and less privacy, I vote no. I don't want nor do I need, the government involved in my personal life any more than it already is.

    I haven't done anything "wrong" nor do I have anything to hide. I just don't feel it's the government's business what I do in my private life as long as I'm a law abiding citizen.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I like my Swiss national ID card, it allows me to travel all over Europe and parts of North Africa without having to carry a passport around. There's no biometric data on it, tho.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Answer to poll: No

    Where besides US passports does the Federal Government have authority to issue ID cards?
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Answer to poll: No

    Where besides US passports does the Federal Government have authority to issue ID cards?
    The Real ID Act. Which I think they had to postpone implementing because they pissed off too many States at first. But it's not really dead, not yet.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    I can see some benefits, but I still don't like that much (or any) information being available to anyone who accesses the database.

    But on another note, many people have nearly as much information available somewhere on the Internetz, if someone takes the time or has the capability to gather it.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support an National ID?


    I say no, I think this is just a an excuse to nationalize IDs with the hollow promises of enforcement. I do not want the government having my biometric data, it is not none of their business


    FOXNews.com - 5 Reasons Why America Should Steer Clear of a National ID Card

    A national ID hurts American workers while pretending to help them.

    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work. Being employed should be a private agreement between an employer and employee. Period. The government should get out of the way.

    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.

    Third, the system will exclude millions of legal workers by accident and fail to catch the majority of undocumented immigrants. For instance, if E-Verify were instituted nation-wide 3.6 million Americans would be denied employment each year and have to visit the Social Security Administration to correct their records. The employer either fires them or delays training. Will a biometric ID card make this system better? How does that help American workers?

    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV. Senator Schumer doesn’t know squat about running a business. The last thing an employer wants to do is spend time at the DMV when he could be spending it improving his business. And all this during an economic slump!

    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    Holy hysteria! Nothing like exaggerating the real problems.

    I tend to be against it as unnecessary, but doubt the hysterical fears about it are real issues.
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    Re: Do you support an National ID?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    First, every worker would have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job. American workers shouldn’t have to beg or plead to anybody to get permission to work.
    This is already the case. Can't get a legitimate job without two forms of ID. If anything, this move will help American workers by making it that much more difficult for illegal aliens to take their jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Second, carrying around government papers with biometric identification on it conjures up images of a more technologically savvy Oceania or East Germany. No thanks.
    I've read the same books you have. It's a long stretch from carrying a government ID to "Ihre papieren bitte" and government roadblocks.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fourth, it will cost businesses up to $800 to buy a scanner. Or as Senator Chuck Schumer says, employers can just go down to the DMV.
    Small price to pay for the ability to track criminals and foreigners attempting to work illegally.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fifth, it would treat every American like a criminal by requiring them to enter their most intimate and personal data into a government database. One of the benefits of not having committed any crimes is that my information is not in a government record office. I’d like to keep it that way.
    What data? Can't think of anything intimate or personal I've ever had to disclose on any government form-- with the wholly justified exception of when I have applied for government benefits.

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