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Thread: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

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    Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    I stopped in our local Red Cross chapter the other day to give another donation for Haiti, since they have such ongoing dire needs. Was talking to the girl, asking about their organization, and what sort of things the local chapter does in the community.

    She proudly cited a recent fire where they provided emergency funds so the people could buy new clothes. I was familiar with the fire, this is a very small community. They listed in the paper that the dwelling was worth $400,000. The house was on expensive acreage.

    The people, in fact, are well to do and they no doubt are well insured. Their home is worth more than most people's including mine. Why in the hell should Red Cross help people like that?

    What do you think? Who should Red Cross help financially after a fire?

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Legally they can help out who ever they want, but morally it should be those with a verifiable financial hardship. But then again some of those people with the $400,000 dollar homes probably donate a lot to the red cross,so it is probably in Red Cross interest to help out any and everybody.
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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum
    She proudly cited a recent fire where they provided emergency funds so the people could buy new clothes. I was familiar with the fire, this is a very small community. They listed in the paper that the dwelling was worth $400,000. The house was on expensive acreage.

    The people, in fact, are well to do and they no doubt are well insured. Their home is worth more than most people's including mine. Why in the hell should Red Cross help people like that?
    This isn't the 50s anymore. You've seen the housing and mortgage crisis. Banks were (and still are) letting people get lines of credit on houses that a) they cannot make payments on, and b) have almost no down payment or equity in. There's a good chance that these people were some of those irresponsible fools who sank every penny they had into this because of Bush and other presidents pretty much pushing the "American dream" BS on the populace, and make it sound like home ownership isn't just a right, but a duty.

    Even if that's not the case, people of means deserve the same rights, and perhaps even more than others. Otherwise you're just empowering a giant redistribution "welfare state", where Robin Hood steals from the rich and gives to the poor in a futile effort of "equality".

    Besides, the Red Cross is not a partisan institution and has absolutely no political affiliation - and thank God for that. How would you feel if you called for help and got, "Nine-one-one emergency response. Are you Democrat or Republican?".

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    I feel that, with limited funds available, that they should prioritize distribution, the truly needy at the top of the list.

    I understand that a fire is a very devastating event for people, but if you are well insured and you have invested in an expensive home and property, that you should also have your own emergency fund. I'm disappointed that the Red Cross squanders its funds to help the well-heeled.

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    This isn't the 50s anymore. You've seen the housing and mortgage crisis. Banks were (and still are) letting people get lines of credit on houses that a) they cannot make payments on, and b) have almost no down payment or equity in. There's a good chance that these people were some of those irresponsible fools who sank every penny they had into this because of Bush and other presidents pretty much pushing the "American dream" BS on the populace, and make it sound like home ownership isn't just a right, but a duty.

    Even if that's not the case, people of means deserve the same rights, and perhaps even more than others. Otherwise you're just empowering a giant redistribution "welfare state", where Robin Hood steals from the rich and gives to the poor in a futile effort of "equality".

    Besides, the Red Cross is not a partisan institution and has absolutely no political affiliation - and thank God for that. How would you feel if you called for help and got, "Nine-one-one emergency response. Are you Democrat or Republican?".
    Being able to provide for yourself or not being able to provide for yourself in a disaster has nothing to do with politics or partisanship.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    Being able to provide for yourself or not being able to provide for yourself in a disaster has nothing to do with politics or partisanship.
    Yes, but not receiving help from a non-profit organization based on being able to provide for yourself or not being able to provide for yourself in a disaster has everything to do with politics or partisanship.

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yes, but not receiving help from a non-profit organization based on being able to provide for yourself or not being able to provide for yourself in a disaster has everything to do with politics or partisanship.
    No it doesn't. It has everything to do with how that non-profit organization uses its limited resources. The only reason a lot of these non-profit organizations exist in the first place is to help those who are unable to help themselves.So it is reasonable for a organization to with limited resourced to stick to helping those who are unable to help themselves. It has nothing to do with politics or partisanship.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage
    No it doesn't. It has everything to do with how that non-profit organization uses its limited resources. The only reason a lot of these non-profit organizations exist in the first place is to help those who are unable to help themselves.So it is reasonable for a organization to with limited resourced to stick to helping those who are unable to help themselves. It has nothing to do with politics or partisanship.
    While I understand where you're coming from, I still see it as selective redistribution. I won't condone some sort of arbitrary selection process based on the value of what went down. There's no way to know that if this loss would just be a drop in the bucket for them, or if it would completely toss them out on the street.

    If it's a tax-funded non-profit government organization, you get help if you need help. When you have to sit there and make justifications and pull out past tax forms, you make it quite partisan. I'm not talking about Bill Gates losing his three million square foot country-mansion, I'm talking middle America. Besides, when you squander money on decisions like that, you're bound to go broke anyway. Non-profit or not, you have to be conscious of money. Chances are that society would benefit more from assisting someone with a half million dollar house that is worth much more in taxes than some squalid hellhole that may be worth a steak dinner in municipal income.

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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I stopped in our local Red Cross chapter the other day to give another donation for Haiti, since they have such ongoing dire needs. Was talking to the girl, asking about their organization, and what sort of things the local chapter does in the community.

    She proudly cited a recent fire where they provided emergency funds so the people could buy new clothes. I was familiar with the fire, this is a very small community. They listed in the paper that the dwelling was worth $400,000. The house was on expensive acreage.

    The people, in fact, are well to do and they no doubt are well insured. Their home is worth more than most people's including mine. Why in the hell should Red Cross help people like that?

    What do you think? Who should Red Cross help financially after a fire?









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    Re: Should Local Red Cross help people whose McMansions burn down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The dwelling itself was worth $400,000, and the acreage it's on is probably worth another $400,000.

    Estimated median house or condo value for my county in 2008: $261,272

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