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Thread: Human shields

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Side A always bears the majority of the responsibility, but in my opinion, the responsibility of Side B is pretty much situation dependent.

    If the strategic importance of eliminating Side A is not of the highest order, then Side B will always share some responsibility.
    I think you get into trouble when you start discussing 'strategic significance'. This is entirely subjective, and it doesnt even necessarily apply.

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    Re: Human shields

    So if I catch my girlfriend cheating on me and decide to kill her, and she tries to hide behind her lover, if he ends up dead as a result, is it her fault for putting him in harms way?

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    So if I catch my girlfriend cheating on me and decide to kill her, and she tries to hide behind her lover, if he ends up dead as a result, is it her fault for putting him in harms way?
    I can only pray your girlfriend thinks twice before she cheats on you.

    And the answer is yes. But it's also your fault in this situation - your committing a crime. In war, death isn't a crime under most circumstances.
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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I can only pray your girlfriend thinks twice before she cheats on you.

    And the answer is yes. But it's also your fault in this situation - your committing a crime. In war, death isn't a crime under most circumstances.
    I always thought that warfare and capital punishment sent an interesting message: "It's okay for the government to kill people, but it's not okay if you do it."
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    Re: Human shields

    People who fire guns are responsible for the consequences. Sometimes a consequence of firing a gun is that an innocent person was killed, and five more were saved.

    The person who fired the gun is responsible for killing an innocent, and also responsible for saving five.

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I disagree. There are certain situations where your actions are forced by others; in those instances, you are not responsible for your actions.

    -Justifiable- is an entirely different subject.
    No one else but yourself can have your brain send signals to your muscles to have them perform an act. You're not a robot, everything ultimately always comes down to a choice you make.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Fact: If no legal repercussions, it means nothing.

    Taking responsibility without any recourse means nothing. I can say I take responsibility all day and if it means nothing but lip service, whats the point?

    I mean I see what you are saying. In the long run though it means nothing on the battlefield.
    The point is to learn, the point is to not dismiss the humanity of those we fight. By acknowledging this, we can potentially decrease the frequency and longevity of wars we have to fight.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I always thought that warfare and capital punishment sent an interesting message: "It's okay for the government to kill people, but it's not okay if you do it."
    Not so much -- its OK for you and I to do it, under similar circumstances.

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No one else but yourself can have your brain send signals to your muscles to have them perform an act. You're not a robot, everything ultimately always comes down to a choice you make.
    This doesnt negate what I said.

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    Re: Human shields

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This doesnt negate what I said.
    Yes it does. You cannot be "forced" into shooting someone. You may feel as if you have no other choice. You may feel as if you are justified. But you are never forced into pulling the trigger. That is always a decision you make yourself and as such you bear responsibility for the consequences of that action.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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