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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But it is their best argument and it has some merit - why legalize something that leads to harming others if used irresponsibly?
    ANYTHING used irresponsibly can be a factor in harming others. That is not, and has never been, a good reason to ban it altogether. Nobody has explained why drugs are any different.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Because people drive while high regardless of whether or not pot is/was legal, it is a zero sum factor, unless there is a valid argument that legalizing pot would change the rate of that which is already occurring.

    Earlier you used the term "legitimize". Would legalizing pot legitimize driving while high? I would say no, pot would be legal, driving while stoned would remain illegal, just as is currently the case with alcohol.

    Is driving while drunk legitimized by alcohol being available? Alcohol consumption is accepted and tolerated, driving while drunk is not.
    What is different between that and marijuana? -hell you can even work that message into the current commercials with the guy in the ambulance saying "I was just buzzed"

    It is not the substance that is the problem, it is the lack of judgment that is, legalizing pot does not mean legitimizing stupidity while stoned. Why different rules and inconsistencies for different substances? It is mixed messages like that that produce a lack of respect for the laws of the land.
    I guess I did poorly word it and it was a spur of the moment correction from an earlier complaint. Driving DUI is DUI, pot or alcohol or whatever.

    What I meant is why legalize something that impairs judgement and may lead to harming others if used irresponsibly? It is the best argument against legalization.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    ANYTHING used irresponsibly can be a factor in harming others. That is not, and has never been, a good reason to ban it altogether. Nobody has explained why drugs are any different.
    They get you high, alter your state of consciousness and impair your judgment.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But it is their best argument and it has some merit - why legalize something that leads to harming others if used irresponsibly?
    Because the harms done by keeping it illegal outweigh what harms are done by the drug itself. One can be altered with a change in legality, the other remains constant regardless of legality.

    Remove the criminal problem, then address the drug problem, educate people on the harms of driving while stoned, just as we do with alcohol, educate people on the harms of marijuana.. just like we have done with tobacco, removing the criminal problem will allow the government to establish credibility and rapport with those who use, instead of ostracizing them.

    The current situation is one where someone will think "well I already am breaking the law, and will be going to jail if I get caught with this pot, what harm is there if I drive after I smoke a little, the end result is the same - why the **** not"
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    why legalize something that leads to harming others if used irresponsibly?
    Because the harms done by keeping it illegal outweigh what harms are done by the drug itself. One can be altered with a change in legality, the other remains constant regardless of legality.

    Remove the criminal problem, then address the drug problem, educate people on the harms of driving while stoned, just as we do with alcohol, educate people on the harms of marijuana.. just like we have done with tobacco
    That nails it right there. Thank you.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I guess I did poorly word it and it was a spur of the moment correction from an earlier complaint. Driving DUI is DUI, pot or alcohol or whatever.

    What I meant is why legalize something that impairs judgement and may lead to harming others if used irresponsibly? It is the best argument against legalization.
    Because there will be irresponsible actions by some regardless of its legal status, legalizing it would not change this. Legalizing will allow the focus to shift to the irresponsible actions that do occur instead of lumping every single drug user and every single person who gets high while sitting on their couch into one big conglomerate that fails to make the distinction between responsible and irresponsible actions.

    The best argument for legalization is a circumstance that will be relatively unchanged regardless of whether or not actions are took? It remains unchanged, it is a zero sum argument it is neither a pro nor a con, but is instead an illogical emotional hangup. The potential benefits to be had in eliminating a black market far outweigh this "argument", after all this is what the whole issue is about.. Harm reduction.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Because there will be irresponsible actions by some regardless of its legal status, legalizing it would not change this. Legalizing will allow the focus to shift to the irresponsible actions that do occur instead of lumping every single drug user and every single person who gets high while sitting on their couch into one big conglomerate that fails to make the distinction between responsible and irresponsible actions.

    The best argument for legalization is a circumstance that will be relatively unchanged regardless of whether or not actions are took? It remains unchanged, it is a zero sum argument it is neither a pro nor a con, but is instead an illogical emotional hangup. The potential benefits to be had in eliminating a black market far outweigh this "argument", after all this is what the whole issue is about.. Harm reduction.
    Yeah, I liked your phrasing in the previous message better, where you started out with the assertion that the harm done with marijuana illegal outweighs the harm done by irresponsible use of the drug alone.

    The additional point, or rather the preliminary point, is that the level of use and abuse will not change whether it is legal or not.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    When you post false and inaccurate information like this you completely hurt the credibility of the pro-legalization side.
    That's exactly what I was thinking when I read your anecdote on how you could die from not being able to throw up excessive alcohol while high on pot.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    You guys still talking about legalizing pot?

    Didn't this thread start, like, 11-12 years ago?

    It seems to never end.

    Has anybody said anything different?

    No? Well, ok.

    If anyone does, somebody come get me.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That's exactly what I was thinking when I read your anecdote on how you could die from not being able to throw up excessive alcohol while high on pot.
    Except YOU would be wrong about that. It is wholly possible to die from alcohol intoxication. Throwing up alleviates alcohol intoxication. I hope that logic clears it up for you.
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