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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    ****ing hell. Look, why should we legalize marijuana if it causes those kinds of problems?
    I've been answering that question for the last 4 posts.

    Marijuana use alone doesn't cause any problems for anyone else. Period. Your question assumes that it does and that's just plain wrong. However, marijuana use followed by certain actions can cause problems for others. So those actions while intoxicated are what should be illegal, not marijuana use by itself.

    It's like you're asking why should we legalize knives when they can be used to stab innocent people. Well knives aren't the problem, irresponsible use of knives is the problem. Just like marijuana isn't the problem, irresponsible use of marijuana is the problem. So the irresponsible use of marijuana is what should be illegal, not the entire substance altogether.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The propaganda knife slices in both directions, Cap'n.
    And you can bet that if people were flooding in here stating such hugely exaggerated propoganda for the anti-legailization side that CC, myself, and others would dcall them on it equally as much. Propoganda and inaccurate exaggerations are bad regardless of which side is using it.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I've been answering that question for the last 4 posts.

    Marijuana use alone doesn't cause any problems for anyone else. Period. Your question assumes that it does and that's just plain wrong. However, marijuana use followed by certain actions can cause problems for others. So those actions while intoxicated are what should be illegal, not marijuana use by itself.

    It's like you're asking why should we legalize knives when they can be used to stab innocent people. Well knives aren't the problem, irresponsible use of knives is the problem. Just like marijuana isn't the problem, irresponsible use of marijuana is the problem. So the irresponsible use of marijuana is what should be illegal, not the entire substance altogether.
    You cannot get intoxicated from knives. Marijuana, like alcohol, intoxicates one whereby you cannot perform a normal activity like driving without causing risk for others injury. Marijuana, like alcohol, is a contributing factor to the crime. Why should we legalize a substance that intoxicates? It is a danger.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You cannot get intoxicated from knives.
    You can't smoke knives either, but that's beside the point. Just like drugs, the misuse of knives can cause problems for other people and yet that's not a good reason to outlaw the responsible use of knives. Just like the misuse of drugs is not a good reason to outlaw the responsible use of drugs. It's the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Marijuana, like alcohol, intoxicates one whereby you cannot perform a normal activity like driving without causing risk for others injury.
    Then driving under the influence should be illegal. What have I been saying this whole time?

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    Marijuana, like alcohol, is a contributing factor to the crime.
    No, it's a prerequisite not a contributing factor. A contributing factor would be the poor judgment required to drive while intoxicated. That's like saying the car is a contributing factor. It's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why should we legalize a substance that intoxicates? It is a danger.
    Because it's not a danger to get stoned and watch MTV by yourself. Assuming it is a danger is a mischaracterization of the issue. There's a huge difference between using drugs in the privacy of your own home and using drugs followed by driving under the influence of them. I'm trying really hard to make that point.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    You can't smoke knives either, but that's beside the point. Just like drugs, the misuse of knives can cause problems for other people and yet that's not a good reason to outlaw the responsible use of knives. Just like the misuse of drugs is not a good reason to outlaw the responsible use of drugs. It's the same thing.


    Then driving under the influence should be illegal. What have I been saying this whole time?


    No, it's a prerequisite not a contributing factor. A contributing factor would be the poor judgment required to drive while intoxicated. That's like saying the car is a contributing factor. It's not.


    Because it's not a danger to get stoned and watch MTV by yourself. Assuming it is a danger is a mischaracterization of the issue. There's a huge difference between using drugs in the privacy of your own home and using drugs followed by driving under the influence of them. I'm trying really hard to make that point.
    Whether you can smoke knives is meaningless. My point is intoxication impairs your ability to do things like driving, making them dangerous. Intoxication impairs judgment: smoking weed is a contributing factor. It is a danger, like consuming alcohol.

    Your reason for making marijuana legal is a bad one. A better reason is that it eliminates the criminal problem associated with drugs. It leaves the problem of DUI.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Whether you can smoke knives is meaningless. My point is intoxication impairs your ability to do things like driving, making them dangerous.
    The fact that intoxication impairs the ability to drive is meaningless unless the person actually drives. Driving while intoxicated should be illegal. Simply getting intoxicated should not be.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Intoxication impairs judgment: smoking weed is a contributing factor. It is a danger, like consuming alcohol.
    It's still a danger whether smoking weed is legal or not. Since you agree that legalization would not lead to increased use, why do you assume that legalization would lead to increased danger? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Your reason for making marijuana legal is a bad one. A better reason is that it eliminates the criminal problem associated with drugs. It leaves the problem of DUI.
    I'm not arguing this to support legalization, I'm arguing this because your question falsely assumed that legalizing weed would legalize driving while intoxicated. That's a leap of logic you have not supported, especially since you agree that legalization would not lead to increased use.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    The fact that intoxication impairs the ability to drive is meaningless unless the person actually drives. Driving while intoxicated should be illegal. Simply getting intoxicated should not be.
    The point of the argument is that smoking weed makes you intoxiccated, so that if you were to break the DUI law you could kill someone. Alcohol already does this. Why should we legalize something else that does this?


    It's still a danger whether smoking weed is legal or not. Since you agree that legalization would not lead to increased use, why do you assume that legalization would lead to increased danger? That makes no sense whatsoever.
    I did not say it led to increased danger, only that we were legalizing something that does lead to this danger.


    I'm not arguing this to support legalization, I'm arguing this because your question falsely assumed that legalizing weed would legalize driving while intoxicated. That's a leap of logic you have not supported, especially since you agree that legalization would not lead to increased use.
    Bull****. Show me where I said that legalizing weed would legalize driving while intoxicated. Nowhere did I say this. The premise to my question is why should we legalize pot if... It is inherently an argument for/against legalization.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The point of the argument is that smoking weed makes you intoxiccated, so that if you were to break the DUI law you could kill someone. Alcohol already does this. Why should we legalize something else that does this?
    Why shouldn't we? Legalization would not increase the number of DUIs because legalization would not increase the number of users.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I did not say it led to increased danger, only that we were legalizing something that does lead to this danger.
    Marijuana use does not "lead" to DUIs or any other "danger" for non-users, any more than pencils "lead" to mispelled words.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Bull****. Show me where I said that legalizing weed would legalize driving while intoxicated. Nowhere did I say this.
    Your question was this:

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Their question was why should we legitimize the problem?
    And you defined the "problem" as this:

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    But the risk is there that a legal substance can affect other people. This is a problem with alcohol, already legal.
    So once again, the question as it stood falsely assumed that legalizing weed would also legalize subsequent irresponsible behaviors that can affect other people. If you didn't mean it that way then the question was poorly worded.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The premise to my question is why should we legalize pot if...
    Because, like hundreds of thousands of other things in existence, by itself marijuana use doesn't cause any problems for non-users. It's only certain subsequent behaviors while intoxicated that can cause problems for other users, and that's what should be illegal. Contrary to this wide-sweeping, monolithic, ban-the-whole-substance because some people might use it irresponsibly B.S. that's been shoved down everyone's throats by the drug warriors.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The point of the argument is that smoking weed makes you intoxiccated, so that if you were to break the DUI law you could kill someone. Alcohol already does this. Why should we legalize something else that does this?
    Because people drive while high regardless of whether or not pot is/was legal, it is a zero sum factor, unless there is a valid argument that legalizing pot would change the rate of that which is already occurring.

    Earlier you used the term "legitimize". Would legalizing pot legitimize driving while high? I would say no, pot would be legal, driving while stoned would remain illegal, just as is currently the case with alcohol.

    Is driving while drunk legitimized by alcohol being available? Alcohol consumption is accepted and tolerated, driving while drunk is not.
    What is different between that and marijuana? -hell you can even work that message into the current commercials with the guy in the ambulance saying "I was just buzzed"

    It is not the substance that is the problem, it is the lack of judgment that is, legalizing pot does not mean legitimizing stupidity while stoned. Why different rules and inconsistencies for different substances? It is mixed messages like that that produce a lack of respect for the laws of the land.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Why shouldn't we? Legalization would not increase the number of DUIs because legalization would not increase the number of users.
    Well, that's a weak ass argument.

    So once again, the question as it stood falsely assumed that legalizing weed would also legalize subsequent irresponsible behaviors that can affect other people. If you didn't mean it that way then the question was poorly worded.
    In no way does that mean we would legalize driving under the influence.

    Because, like hundreds of thousands of other things in existence, by itself marijuana use doesn't cause any problems for non-users. It's only certain subsequent behaviors while intoxicated that can cause problems for other users, and that's what should be illegal. Contrary to this wide-sweeping, monolithic, ban-the-whole-substance because some people might use it irresponsibly B.S. that's been shoved down everyone's throats by the drug warriors.
    But it is their best argument and it has some merit - why legalize something that leads to harming others if used irresponsibly?

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