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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    for those who want it legalised, how would you then regulate it, would you keep it as it is, with gangs growing/selling it, and private individuals growing it, or make it more similar to tobacco, with the whole thing done in farms for profit and such?
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You have constantly shown your lack of knowledge on this by posting inaccurate information. You need to stop and read more objective and credible sources. Your lack of knowledge demonstrates why people don't take those who are pro-legalizers seriously.
    so i guess the STUDY'S that i heard on the NEWS are false, and yes I'm serious about the legalization of marijuana since i started joining this political website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    so i guess the STUDY'S that i heard on the NEWS are false, and yes I'm serious about the legalization of marijuana since i started joining this political website.
    The study's you post, present inaccurate information, for the most part, or you misrepresent it. You paint marijuana as harmless. It is not. You paint marijuana as curing a series of ills. It does not. When you present this kind of dishonesty, you do as much damage as those who say that marijuana will make you go crazy or will kill you... which it will not. I'm sure you're serious about legalization. Try to present accurate information so you are taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You have constantly shown your lack of knowledge on this by posting inaccurate information. You need to stop and read more objective and credible sources. Your lack of knowledge demonstrates why people don't take those who are pro-legalizers seriously.
    The propaganda knife slices in both directions, Cap'n.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The propaganda knife slices in both directions, Cap'n.

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    I COMPLETELY AGREE. That video is idiotic... and read my post. Any anti-legalizer who claims that marijuana will make you crazy or kill you is LYING and presenting propaganda, not facts, and I will challenge anyone who makes those claims. Just as I have challenged the fallacious claims made by pro-legalizers, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I COMPLETELY AGREE. That video is idiotic... and read my post. Any anti-legalizer who claims that marijuana will make you crazy or kill you is LYING and presenting propaganda, not facts, and I will challenge anyone who makes those claims. Just as I have challenged the fallacious claims made by pro-legalizers, too.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    for those who want it legalised, how would you then regulate it, would you keep it as it is, with gangs growing/selling it, and private individuals growing it, or make it more similar to tobacco, with the whole thing done in farms for profit and such?
    You are confusing decriminalization with legalization.

    Decriminalization is merely making it so possession of small quantities is a civil infraction comparable to a parking ticket. The inherent flaw with decriminalization is it does not do anything to address the already established black market distribution. Due to international treaty this is the best that can be done, and a necessary first step that may eventually lead to a softening of attitudes and viewpoints and ultimately to legalization. decriminalization is a flawed concept it does nothing to deal with the elephant in the room (black market), and is only minimally effective in a very small scope, but it at least does not ruin countless live for mere possession..

    Legalization is establishing control over the entire market, from production to distribution, it is taking the black market out of the equation, much like the current situation for for alcohol.

    It is establishing control, Controls such as NOT having it sold in schools or to school kids, not smuggled across our borders, not grown in our national forests, and not having distribution rights determined as a result of gang violence and which ruthless criminals can kill their way to the top (Q. when is the last time you saw commonplace drive by shootings over alcohol distribution?).

    In order to establish control over the market, we need to assume control from beginning to end in the manufacture/distribution process (and no this does mean government run marijuana farms - look at alcohol distribution, it is controlled, yet companies such as Jack Daniels and Sam Adams are involved, not gangs and NOT our government).

    One follow up question/objection is often asked, and yuo already mention it in your question, that is what do we do about those who want to just grow their own at home?

    The answer to that is to allow it, but only with a permit, and appropriate tax paid (reasonable cost and readily available, unlike the Harrison stamp tax of yesteryear). If someone is growing privately without a permit, then they are guilty of tax evasion, and can face the penalties for that (this is what those running illegal shine stills get busted for.. off the top of my head I think it carries 10 yrs/$10k).

    Since a major reason for legalization is to eliminate distribution/availability to children, there also must be safeguards to make sure a minor cannot just stroll onto a pot field or a home garden and pluck a bud at will. So outdoor gardens will be costly, and will inevitably move almost all of the private grows indoors, or to greenhouses.

    Private growers cannot sell to third parties, and all products from sanctioned distributors are to be sold in a controlled environment much like alcohol is currently.

    We have a model in place already, we saw the positive effects of ending prohibition of alcohol and reestablishing control, yet when we see the same problems inherent in a black market that were there during prohibition, we continue to pursue policy which created this black market, and created the criminals, the cartels, and the gangs in the first place. We have failed to learn from our past mistakes and are repeating failed policy.

    almost 40 years into this "War on Drugs", and drugs are cheaper, stronger, and easier to get than when this all began, so too is violence and crimes committed as a result of the black market. Prohibition is a failed policy, and we are in a failed war that has had an astronomical cost both monetarily, and socially.

    As a result of prohibition, not only do we still have a drug problem as bad or worse than we began, but we have also compounded it by creating a monster of criminal problem as well.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    ****ing hell. Look, why should we legalize marijuana if it causes those kinds of problems?
    see my post above for partial reasons.

    We need to legalize it because the lions share of the problems have been CREATED by prohibition and the "war on drugs". Problems such as:

    Gang violence
    Distribution to kids
    inaccessibility of treatment
    lack of education, and the spread of propaganda/misinformation

    your arguments ignore the elephant in the room while focusing on acts and actions which are problematic independent of legality.

    a quote for you:
    Drug legalization is NOT to be construed as an approach to our drug problem, drug legalization is about our crime and violence problem.

    Once we legalize drugs we have got to then buckle down and start dealing with our drug problem
    unfortunately I cannot find the name to give proper credit for the speaker who said this- I believe I linked to the vid it is contained in earlier in this thread though.

    Edit to add the link to my post containing vid this quote is from (it is well worth the watch):

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058616519
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    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    see my post above for partial reasons.

    We need to legalize it because the lions share of the problems have been CREATED by prohibition and the "war on drugs". Problems such as:

    Gang violence
    Distribution to kids
    inaccessibility of treatment
    lack of education, and the spread of propaganda/misinformation

    your arguments ignore the elephant in the room while focusing on acts and actions which are problematic independent of legality.
    Thank you!! At long last, an answer to my question. Well done. Some people were having problems answering a simple question.

    Actually, this is what I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib
    Here is the answer I came up with. I think it has to do with that it doesn't increase an existing problem, but it legitimizes the use that occurs anyway. People will still use and cause problems. The difference is that legalizing prevents the creation of criminal enterprise.
    So I agree that legalization addresses the criminal problem of black market deals and gang violence and sale to minors. I didn't put it as well as you. I especially like your simple observation that "We need to legalize it because the lions share of the problems have been CREATED by prohibition and the "war on drugs"".

    a quote for you:
    Drug legalization is NOT to be construed as an approach to our drug problem, drug legalization is about our crime and violence problem.

    Once we legalize drugs we have got to then buckle down and start dealing with our drug problem
    unfortunately I cannot find the name to give proper credit for the speaker who said this- I believe I linked to the vid it is contained in earlier in this thread though.

    Edit to add the link to my post containing vid this quote is from (it is well worth the watch):

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058616519
    This is a good quote. Legalize to remove the criminal problem, then deal with the drug problem. I like it.

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