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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Medical experts use those two terms interchangeably.
    No, they don't. Mostly because they mean two different things. Any "expert" that would do that is no expert.

    When you quoted the author's assertion about marijuana addictiveness, that's an appeal to authority because as you correctly pointed out that article is an editorial. It refers to a peer-reviewed addiction chart and that's the only thing I used from it.
    Ah, I see the mis-communication. I highlighted that part of the quote to say - even your own source disagrees with you - not as buttress for my position.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No, they don't. Mostly because they mean two different things. Any "expert" that would do that is no expert.
    Two that do:

    "Drug addiction is a dependence on a street drug or a medication." (Mayo Clinic)

    "Drug addiction, or dependence, is the compulsive use of a substance, despite its negative or dangerous effects." (National Institute of Health)

    There are some calls to officially define them differently but that hasn't happened yet.

    Ah, I see the mis-communication. I highlighted that part of the quote to say - even your own source disagrees with you - not as buttress for my position.[/QUOTE]
    Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Two that do:

    "Drug addiction is a dependence on a street drug or a medication." (Mayo Clinic)

    "Drug addiction, or dependence, is the compulsive use of a substance, despite its negative or dangerous effects." (National Institute of Health)

    There are some calls to officially define them differently but that hasn't happened yet.
    Regardless, we are talking about the difference between an addictive substance and habitual dependence. Marijuana contains no addictive substance. You can become dependent on anything = habit.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Nothing you quoted proves that Marijuana contains any addictive substance. Everything you quoted indicates habitual dependence.

    Not only that but you'd have to link to or present the entire studies for examination because clinical information on MJ has been and still is lacking as well as a lack of serious scientific study on a scale large enough to draw conclusions while thousands of years of anecdotal use denies the vast majority of government propaganda.

    As a Schedule One drug, MJ research (in the USA) may only be performed by approval of the fedgov and the samples for research use are provided by one government source which is limited in strains.
    Wrong. You didn't pay attention to what was written, if that is your conclusion. Something termed "physically addictive" is defined by either consistently producing withdrawal symptoms when stopped abruptly, requiring more to get the same effect, or both. The first criteria was easily met.

    Marijuana is physically addictive in a small percentage of people as shown by the evidence. Now, if you want to disagree with that evidence, that's fine, but understand that you have presented nothing factual to dispute it.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No, they don't. Mostly because they mean two different things. Any "expert" that would do that is no expert.
    This is a confusing issue and until recently, the terms WERE used interchangeably. In recent times, the DSM-IV has completely replaced the word "addiction" with the word "dependence" for all substances.

    Currently, some people do use the terms interchangeably. It is not completely correct to do so, though often used amongst professionals as a kind of "shorthand". Dependence is a subset of addiction. An addiction can refer to either physical or psychological dependence, and can apply to both behaviors that can generate positive results or negative ones. Dependence, in the professional world specifically refers to diagnostic criteria used to make a diagnosis, including physical dependence. The interchangeability is that both physical addiction and physical dependence. These two terms mean the same thing.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is a confusing issue and until recently, the terms WERE used interchangeably. In recent times, the DSM-IV has completely replaced the word "addiction" with the word "dependence" for all substances.

    Currently, some people do use the terms interchangeably. It is not completely correct to do so, though often used amongst professionals as a kind of "shorthand". Dependence is a subset of addiction. An addiction can refer to either physical or psychological dependence, and can apply to both behaviors that can generate positive results or negative ones. Dependence, in the professional world specifically refers to diagnostic criteria used to make a diagnosis, including physical dependence. The interchangeability is that both physical addiction and physical dependence. These two terms mean the same thing.
    I recently read an article talking about dependence and addiction but it pertained to opioids. American Pain Foundation Home Page

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I recently read an article talking about dependence and addiction but it pertained to opioids. American Pain Foundation Home Page
    You actually posted an article in another thread that described the difference pretty well. It mirrored what I said a bit, and I expanded on it. Addiction and dependence are not the same thing, though they are similar. I think the article you linked described it well so I will repost the description, here:

    Psychiatrists are careful to distinguish between addiction and dependence. The latter occurs in almost all people who take opioids long-term; over time, they develop a tolerance to the drug, and suffer withdrawal if the drug is abruptly stopped. The point is, they are able to stop taking it eventually. Addiction, however, is defined as the compulsive use of a substance in spite of negative consequences: addicted patients whose pain symptoms have been resolved still can't quit taking the drug.
    The description above is consistent with what I said and how the DSM-IV looks at these two. Dependence is a subset of addiction.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You actually posted an article in another thread that described the difference pretty well. It mirrored what I said a bit, and I expanded on it. Addiction and dependence are not the same thing, though they are similar. I think the article you linked described it well so I will repost the description, here:



    The description above is consistent with what I said and how the DSM-IV looks at these two. Dependence is a subset of addiction.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    I was talking to my parents about marijuana legalization, and truth is we were talking about hard drug decriminalization as well, and they brought up a great point about mind altering substances. They observed that it is the irresponsible actions taken when under the influence that is the problem. Granted one would be charged with DUI, but that doesn't save the person in the other car you hit while driving high or drunk. Granted use does not increase when legalized. Abuse does not increase either. Presumably this means irresponsible use does not change. But the risk is there that a legal substance can affect other people. This is a problem with alcohol, already legal. Their question was why should we add to the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I was talking to my parents about marijuana legalization, and truth is we were talking about hard drug decriminalization as well, and they brought up a great point about mind altering substances. They observed that it is the irresponsible actions taken when under the influence that is the problem. Granted one would be charged with DUI, but that doesn't save the person in the other car you hit while driving high or drunk. Granted use does not increase when legalized. Abuse does not increase either. Presumably this means irresponsible use does not change. But the risk is there that a legal substance can affect other people. This is a problem with alcohol, already legal. Their question was why should we add to the problem?

    What say you?
    Pot is safer than booze, is my opinion. Pot helps sober you up when you are intoxicated by alcohol such as thunderbird.

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