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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Still searching my files.

    Here's another one with many links:
    From your post:
    "This research is very new, and needs more study before it can be identified as fact."

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    The AMA article says nothing about Marijuana being addictive
    Really. I guess you missed the part where it says "4 percent to 9 percent of marijuana users fulfill diagnostic criteria for substance dependence."

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    and your editorial from the Collegiate Times only says this:
    First you discount the source as being an editorial, then you turn around and use it for your own purposes? The only thing I used that source for was to reference the addictiveness chart published by the NIDA, which I saw a long time ago but can't seem to find again.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Really. I guess you missed the part where it says "4 percent to 9 percent of marijuana users fulfill diagnostic criteria for substance dependence."
    Pot is as addictive as sugar, or any substance that can be mentally addicted to. This does not make it an addictive drug. Pot is not physically addictive.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have backed off on the "gateway drug" position since I posted those links. Though in my experience, I have seen this to be absolutely true, the research that I have read is either inconclusive, correlation but not causation, or completely refutes it. Though my anecdotal evidence supports this, that doesn't mean too much when research opposes my position.
    If you were to honestly investigate your anecdotal evidence on the "gateway" premise you might find that it is not actually MJ that is the gateway but rather the situations and or people associated that cause the "gateway".

    Have you ever smoked pot and thought, Hmm, I could go for some cocaine or maybe some Xtacy or LSD... or was it someone you were getting high with who offered some other drug?

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Really. I guess you missed the part where it says "4 percent to 9 percent of marijuana users fulfill diagnostic criteria for substance dependence."
    Thank you for highlighting the word DEPENDENCE which is very different from ADDICTIVE.

    First you discount the source as being an editorial, then you turn around and use it for your own purposes? The only thing I used that source for was to reference the addictiveness chart published by the NIDA, which I saw a long time ago but can't seem to find again.
    Which part did I use for my own purpose?

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Nothing you quoted proves that Marijuana contains any addictive substance. Everything you quoted indicates habitual dependence.

    Not only that but you'd have to link to or present the entire studies for examination because clinical information on MJ has been and still is lacking as well as a lack of serious scientific study on a scale large enough to draw conclusions while thousands of years of anecdotal use denies the vast majority of government propaganda.

    As a Schedule One drug, MJ research (in the USA) may only be performed by approval of the fedgov and the samples for research use are provided by one government source which is limited in strains.
    What about lung cancer?
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Thank you for highlighting the word DEPENDENCE which is very different from ADDICTIVE.
    Medical experts use those two terms interchangeably.


    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Which part did I use for my own purpose?
    When you quoted the author's assertion about marijuana addictiveness, that's an appeal to authority because as you correctly pointed out that article is an editorial. It refers to a peer-reviewed addiction chart and that's the only thing I used from it.

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What about lung cancer?
    The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.


    The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.


    "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."



    Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What about lung cancer?
    People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancer, new research suggests.

    While a clear increase in cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users...

    ...Studies suggest that marijuana smoke contains 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancer than cigarette smoke. Marijuana smokers also tend to inhale deeper than cigarette smokers and hold the inhaled smoke in their lungs longer.

    So why isn’t smoking marijuana as dangerous as smoking cigarettes in terms of cancer risk?

    The answer isn’t clear, but the experts say it might have something to do with tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is a chemical found in marijuana smoke.

    Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.
    FOXNews.com - Marijuana Does Not Raise Lung Cancer Risk - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

    There have been further studies with reversals of induced tumors in rats that indeed does show anti-tumor, anti carcinogen potential for some Cannabinoids.

    here is the abstract from the Tashkin study - I could not find the full study - not that anyone would likely read the whole thing,:

    Marijuana use and the risk of lung and upper aerod... [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2006] - PubMed result

    Similar results had been noticed comparing tobacco and marijuana smoking in another study looking at rates of head and neck squamous cell carcinomas.

    None of this is significant in regards to whether or not marijuana should be legal or not, it is significant in regards to rescheduling, the need for further unrestricted research, and the very real untapped potential medical value of cannabinoids.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What about lung cancer?
    what about it?

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