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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I would like them to do some studies on this using humans for an experiment to see if pot is addictive.

    I hereby volunteer my services free for this study.
    Been done on habitual pot smokers. It's addictive. I'll dig up excerpts from the study tonight.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    How is it a fallacy, when all we hear is " it is addictive, it will make you do heavy drugs, it will rot yer brain, it will make you think fat gals, look purdy good." and the list goes on. when no one, myself included knows one thing about what another person should do with themselves, nor is it any of their business. Now if a persons "actions" become a problem, then I agree, they should be reined in. but If a Guy wants to blow a bowl of pot, and listen to Mississippi Queen" real loud, let him. It's his life. ---Life can be miserable enough, with out some do gooder looking over your shoulder, to see if yer enjoying your self to much.
    This too is a fallacy. Point out where I have said any of the things in the first part of your post. They are as obtuse as someone saying, "there's absolutely nothing wrong with smoking weed." Both statements are fallacious.

    I don't care if someone smokes, as long as it does not affect anyone else. But don't claim that it is never a crutch. For some it is; for others it is recreation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I was just pointing out how ridicules they sound when they make those unfounded claims. I was in fact, holding up that mirror.
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    There you go again, calling someone's statements "stupid over exaggerations". Have you read your writing lately?
    Both of you need to hear what you are doing. You are making implied claims that smoking pot is not problematic in any way. Since this is completely inaccurate, you are making the same ridiculous exaggerations and fallacies that those who claim that smoking weed will make anyone crazy and lazy. People who make either of these assertions demonstrate either their lack of knowledge on the topic, or their lack of ability to look at the topic objectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Show me the studies. I know about pot because I am experienced about it and you are not.
    Your experiences are irrelevant. You are one person and do not speak for everyone. I have plenty of experiences that are completely opposite of yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Since when does someones 45 years of first hand experience count for nothing?? When some strangers limited experience, if any, is treated like Gospel. I know exactly what I'm talking about, and don't have to read any one's notes to reach my conclusions.
    One person's experience is meaningless. If one person walks into a casino with $5 and comes out winning $1 million, does that mean that it is easy to beat the casino? Now you know why anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your experiences are irrelevant. You are one person and do not speak for everyone. I have plenty of experiences that are completely opposite of yours.
    this is what I'm talking about. How can someones own personal experiences, be classified as irrelevant, but some third parities is treated like fact? No one claims to speak for all people. but if we don't include our personal experiences, we are left to just quote third parties, and to trust in people's findings that have no relevance to our own life experiences. I count on first hand experiences, and to me, they are very relevant.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    this is what I'm talking about. How can someones own personal experiences, be classified as irrelevant, but some third parities is treated like fact? No one claims to speak for all people. but if we don't include our personal experiences, we are left to just quote third parties, and to trust in people's findings that have no relevance to our own life experiences. I count on first hand experiences, and to me, they are very relevant.
    Well, like I said, I'm not coming from a 3rd party opinion or anything I read in a medical journal. I speak from what I know to be a fact. Pot is addictive. An addiction that can be broken without any negative side-effects, perhaps, but an addiction, none the less.

    I don't care who tries to invalidate what I personally know to be a fact, first hand, up close and personal. If I walked outside to a sunny day and the weatherman was telling me on TV that it is raining, because his radar said it was, I would have the sense to know better.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, like I said, I'm not coming from a 3rd party opinion or anything I read in a medical journal. I speak from what I know to be a fact. Pot is addictive. An addiction that can be broken without any negative side-effects, perhaps, but an addiction, none the less.

    I don't care who tries to invalidate what I personally know to be a fact, first hand, up close and personal. If I walked outside to a sunny day and the weatherman was telling me on TV that it is raining, I would have the sense to know better.
    "Well, like I said, I'm not coming from a 3rd party opinion or anything I read in a medical journal. I speak from what I know to be a fact. Pot is addictive. An addiction that can be broken without any negative side-effects, perhaps, but an addiction, none the less." OK, so you personally know this to be a fact, so I ask how, if not from personal experience, then how?
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    "Well, like I said, I'm not coming from a 3rd party opinion or anything I read in a medical journal. I speak from what I know to be a fact. Pot is addictive. An addiction that can be broken without any negative side-effects, perhaps, but an addiction, none the less." OK, so you personally know this to be a fact, so I ask how, if not from personal experience, then how?
    Are you serious?

    Having partaken on a daily basis, (a few weeks/months off, here and there,) for over 35 years, I would think I know enough about it to not have to depend on a link or a shrink.

    I have to ask. Where did you EVER get the idea my words weren't from personal experience? Hell, I wrote the book son.


    PS.... I am a Hou-stone-ian too. Northeast. Class of 75. When pot was ten bucks a lid and pounds cost less than a 100.00.
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    Re: Miracle Marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    this is what I'm talking about. How can someones own personal experiences, be classified as irrelevant, but some third parities is treated like fact?
    Anecdotal evidence, while not irrelevant, is hardly superior to actual studied affects and can not be used to state broad ideas as FACTS.

    If I pass a strip of road every day and never see a cop I could say "In my experience I've never seen a cop there". That is a statement using anecdotal that is useful and factual. If I said "Cops are NEVER there" as a universal fact then that data is relatively irrelevant compared with a study of police movement that shows that a cop is there every two weeks at 2:15 on Tuesday which is 3 hours before you pass it each day.

    Likewise, you smoking pot for 40 years and knowing a few dozen others that do it doesn't trump medical research conducted under actual scientific theory of a multitude of individuals over a multitude of time with actual testable results.

    No one claims to speak for all people.
    Really? Pretty sure you made this ignorant exaggerated blanket statement earlier:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Pot is not a crutch,
    Sure looks like a definitive, universal, statement. It wasn't "Pot usually isn't a crutch" or "Pot is not a crutch for everyone". No, i'm pretty sure that's a universal statement there of you relaying your personal experience as definitive fact for everyone.

    I thought you said no one claims to do that...?

    I count on first hand experiences, and to me, they are very relevant.
    Yes, relevant. TO YOU. If I go walk slowly across a major roadway every day for a year and never get hit does this prove that "walking across major roadways is safe"? Absolutely not. It means that you've never had an issue with it, but that is ONLY you and that's ONLY referencing your immediate past.

    Pot isn't a crutch to you. Great, that doesn't make it a universal truth. That doesn't mean scientific evidence of it being a crutch for some people is not accurate. And it doesn't make your statement of it as a universal thing accurate.

    Anecdotal has a place, below actual studied research and pertaining to yourself, your experiences, and your opinions...not broad factual statements

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