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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It is a disgusting term because it was made that way by people in the past. People automatically associate the term with negativity. I don't think that the word in and of itself is inherently racist or evil. It's just a word. No word should be given that much power. Of course, it's fairly easy for me to say this because I don't have a history with that word and it doesn't affect me the same way that it affects others. This is primarily why I don't say it because I don't want to offend anyone.
    well, i kinda hate the "c" word.......maybe in the same way.

    if people automatically associate the term with something racist, which they do, then it's presumed to be negative. all the arguments in the world won't change how the word is perceived.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    well, i kinda hate the "c" word.......maybe in the same way.

    if people automatically associate the term with something racist, which they do, then it's presumed to be negative. all the arguments in the world won't change how the word is perceived.
    Perception isn't the truth, though. We all have different perceptions of things.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Perception isn't the truth, though. We all have different perceptions of things.
    do you know many people who don't perceive that word as racist? honestly? i can say that mother****ing asshole is a term of endearment, but would most people believe that?

    if words aren't offensive, why are they censored on this forum? because their common usage is meant in an offensive way.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you know many people who don't perceive that word as racist? honestly? i can say that mother****ing asshole is a term of endearment, but would most people believe that?
    That's not what I'm saying. You are missing the point. I'm saying that the word "nigger" is not a bad in and of itself. It's a word. Just as any other word is a word, that's a word. It's how a person uses that word that makes it racist. Context is incredibly important. I never said that it was a term of endearment. In certain a certain context, however, it can be. I've seen African Americans use it with each other as a term of endearment. Hell, I've seen them use it with white people as a term of endearment. It's just a word. You can't tell me that a person using the term in a racist/derogatory context is the same as a person using it in the context of a term of endearment. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense.

    if words aren't offensive, why are they censored on this forum? because their common usage is meant in an offensive way.
    They are censored on this forum because the administrator chose to make this board that way. It doesn't mean that the words are inherently offensive.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That's not what I'm saying. You are missing the point. I'm saying that the word "nigger" is not a bad in and of itself. It's a word. Just as any other word is a word, that's a word. It's how a person uses that word that makes it racist. Context is incredibly important. I never said that it was a term of endearment. In certain a certain context, however, it can be. I've seen African Americans use it with each other as a term of endearment. Hell, I've seen them use it with white people as a term of endearment. It's just a word. You can't tell me that a person using the term in a racist/derogatory context is the same as a person using it in the context of a term of endearment. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense.



    They are censored on this forum because the administrator chose to make this board that way. It doesn't mean that the words are inherently offensive.
    yes, i agree, context is important. i just think 99% of the time white people use that word in an offensive manner.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm sorry, but that makes no sense to me. So let's say for instance there was a book, movie, record album or whatever that has that word in the title. If I repeat that title out loud to someone because I am referencing that particular item, it means that I'm using it to insult or shock? Give me a break.
    not you, necessarily, but you can't tell me you think people normally use that word innocently.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    frankly, i think it's a disgusting term, used by anyone. racist when used by non blacks, yes, for what would ever be a legitimate reason to use the word?
    You can't think of a legitimate reason to use the word?

    How about a discussion like this where we actually treat everyone like adults and not have to act like we're dealing with 2nd graders spelling out that its "time for b-e-d" for fear that someone may actually have to hear the thing we're obviously talking about.

    How in the world is this question:

    "Is the 'n word' a racist term regardless of context in your mind"

    somehow not racist but

    "Is the word 'nigger' a racist term regardless of context in your mind"

    somehow racist.

    Both things are saying the exact same thing. Both have the exact same context. Both have the exact same meaning behind them. However one has a person tip toeing around a word and acting like he's dealing with children because someone may be offended that he used a word that is an actual word in a context that is COMPLETELY benign, and the other simple converses like a reasonable adult is actually stating the words we mean.

    This goes to other things.

    If someone exclaims "Gosh Darnit, that's freaking poop" in the heat of a moment after a bad call in a sports game is that magically honestly better than "God damnit, that's ****ing ****"?

    Are the words magically going to hurt someone if they hear it? Is there something magically evil in the very fabric of the word "****" that isn't present in "freak", or in "nigger" rather than "n-word"?

    I agree completely the word most of the time is definitively offensive. If you're just throwing it around for no reason or for shock value, that's bad. If you're using it as a derogatory term, that's bad. I think that's true, black or white. I think the same way with **** honestly. If you're just using it to shock people or to offend people or in gentile situations or company I think its offensive, if you're using it around a bunch of guys in casual situation as a normal flow of your conversation then I don't think its all that offensive.

    Context matters, and that word and all other words are going to have infinitely more power to offend, degrade, and paralyze people the more we say that it shouldn't even be uttered even when legitimate discussions happen. Furthermore, that kind of attitude is exactly part of the reason its so hard to HAVE legitimate conversations concerning the matter and is the same for most race things. One can not speak frankly, in a completely non-racist context, without immediately being declared racist and the entire conversation become derailed because you said a certain buzz word of phrase.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    well, i kinda hate the "c" word.......maybe in the same way.

    if people automatically associate the term with something racist, which they do, then it's presumed to be negative. all the arguments in the world won't change how the word is perceived.
    "c" as in like...the word that rhymes with bunt? or Grunt? or hunt?
    but the "n" word isnt bad. they call themselves that all the tme. its just if a white person says it then its offending.
    It's not rape if you scream "SURPRISE" first.

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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You can't think of a legitimate reason to use the word?

    How about a discussion like this where we actually treat everyone like adults and not have to act like we're dealing with 2nd graders spelling out that its "time for b-e-d" for fear that someone may actually have to hear the thing we're obviously talking about.

    How in the world is this question:

    "Is the 'n word' a racist term regardless of context in your mind"

    somehow not racist but

    "Is the word 'nigger' a racist term regardless of context in your mind"

    somehow racist.

    Both things are saying the exact same thing. Both have the exact same context. Both have the exact same meaning behind them. However one has a person tip toeing around a word and acting like he's dealing with children because someone may be offended that he used a word that is an actual word in a context that is COMPLETELY benign, and the other simple converses like a reasonable adult is actually stating the words we mean.

    This goes to other things.

    If someone exclaims "Gosh Darnit, that's freaking poop" in the heat of a moment after a bad call in a sports game is that magically honestly better than "God damnit, that's ****ing ****"?

    Are the words magically going to hurt someone if they hear it? Is there something magically evil in the very fabric of the word "****" that isn't present in "freak", or in "nigger" rather than "n-word"?

    I agree completely the word most of the time is definitively offensive. If you're just throwing it around for no reason or for shock value, that's bad. If you're using it as a derogatory term, that's bad. I think that's true, black or white. I think the same way with **** honestly. If you're just using it to shock people or to offend people or in gentile situations or company I think its offensive, if you're using it around a bunch of guys in casual situation as a normal flow of your conversation then I don't think its all that offensive.

    Context matters, and that word and all other words are going to have infinitely more power to offend, degrade, and paralyze people the more we say that it shouldn't even be uttered even when legitimate discussions happen. Furthermore, that kind of attitude is exactly part of the reason its so hard to HAVE legitimate conversations concerning the matter and is the same for most race things. One can not speak frankly, in a completely non-racist context, without immediately being declared racist and the entire conversation become derailed because you said a certain buzz word of phrase.
    I agree completely the word most of the time is definitively offensive.
    above is my point. of course it's a hot button word, because of its historical use. maybe in 100 years, it won't be.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is the "n word" a racist term regardless of the context?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I cringe when anyone uses a term like that in a derogatory sense. For instance, one day when I was at work, one of my co-workers was talking about how much he dislikes Obama and how he watched the news and saw "all them niggers lining up eagerly to vote for him." To me, that is racist. I don't see how that can be taken any other way. It made me cringe and I was kind of boggled all day that people like that still exist. While many around where I live have fairly racist views, they aren't usually that out in the open with them. I personally don't use the word because, while I don't think the term is inherently racist, I realize that there are people who get offended by the word regardless of the context and I wouldn't want to go out of my way to offend anyone.
    I remember the first time I heard it in a professional setting as an adult, I was in South Missouri working with a Job Corps recruiter, and he just threw that word out there over lunch. I almost spit my food on the table. To me, it just screams "low class."

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