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Thread: Power VS Liberty

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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    I'll take liberty over power any day. But if you're talking of things such as military power, that is needed to maintain and proliferate liberty as well. You can have power without liberty, but it will be hard to maintain liberty without power. And that power is held not just by the government which would have armies to defend against foreign hostilities. But it must also include the people with the power to dispose of the government should it try to encroach too much upon liberty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    Until the guy defines his terms, we have no idea what he means and we are all just groping in the dark.

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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    Power deals with coercion. It is forcefully making something do it normally wouldn't do.

    Liberty protects a person from coercion. However, liberty only exists as peaceful (or without force) only when the laws of the land are followed. When laws are broken, and the state loses legitimacy, then liberty requires power and is therefore completely dependent on power.
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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    Heard a quote once, not sure where, that addresses the last post. "Power is about what you can control. Freedom is about what you can unleash."

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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Heard a quote once, not sure where, that addresses the last post. "Power is about what you can control. Freedom is about what you can unleash."
    Excuse me while I head to the bathroom to exercise my freedom.

    On a more serious note. I am not sure why the two would be mutually exclusive. In fact, many forms of freedom/liberty require power to even exercise.

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    Re: Power VS Liberty

    'Liberty' (although the term is more aesthetic than technical) is an interpretation of a person's power (defining power as the ability to achieve desirable outcomes regardless of obstacles).

    I wonder if the question is, "Should the United States give up its freedoms for a more powerful nation?" Defining people in terms of collectives rather than as individuals.

    The answer is that although they can weaken us, overall our freedoms make our country stronger. So, 'versus' is a false distinction.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 03-08-10 at 06:18 PM.
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