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    Question Who is the Establishment party?

    In you own personal experience what is the ‘establishment’ party? Explain.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Growing up in New York in the 1960s and 70s, the establishment was the Republican party. They belonged to the country clubs, they owned the land, they ran the government.

    The Democrats were the blacks, the Jews, and the unions.

    The Republicans are the ‘Establishment’ as far as I am concerned, then and now.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Growing up in New York in the 1960s and 70s, the establishment was the Republican party. They belonged to the country clubs, they owned the land, they ran the government.

    The Democrats were the blacks, the Jews, and the unions.

    The Republicans are the ‘Establishment’ as far as I am concerned, then and now.
    What 60's and 70's did you live through? How did Republicans "run the government" in New York or anywhere else for that matter? The Democrats had huge majorities in Congress for that entire time and the presidency for the bulk of it, while NYC was in the middle of a 50-year period of Democratic mayors (minus a little bit of quasi-Lindsay) as well as an ongoing century+ period of Democratic control of the City Council.

    I understand that you don't like the Republican party and that might tend to color your opinions, but that doesn't mean that you get to pretend that history played out differently than it did.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    In you own personal experience what is the ‘establishment’ party? Explain.
    Both of them. Neither party represents a threat to the status quo.

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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Both of them. Neither party represents a threat to the status quo.
    So accurate.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Both are. It is usually used as an attack on something you dont like and would wish to accomplish if it were not for the stingy attitudes of Washington. In one sense, liberals of the past several decades, have taken it upon themselves to influence the Democratic Party to rid itself of the influence of "the establishment", the "Party bosses" and "the fat cats". It worked to some certain extent, failed miserably in others, but at the end of the day, they grew up and perhaps some of them finally found themselves being the establishment. Conservatives in the Republican Party have likewise gone through phases where it tries to "de-Washingtonize" itself, as it is right now.

    Despite what liberals or conservatives would say, I would not argue that it is necessarily a bad thing to be the establishment. It might be bad to be seen as apart of the establishment, but attacking the establishment too much usually accomplishes very little. It's good to be seen as some sort of element of change, but in all honesty, it takes some knowledgable people with excellent bureaucratic skills to get things done.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    They both are to a fairly equal extent.
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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    They are both the establishment. Which is why we need to be able to vote into office third-parties to provide real alternatives.

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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    I said "none of the above" because its really both of the above (yeah I know it doesn't make sense).

    Right now, the Dems are more of the establishment than ever before.


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    Re: Who is the Establishment party?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What 60's and 70's did you live through? How did Republicans "run the government" in New York or anywhere else for that matter? The Democrats had huge majorities in Congress for that entire time and the presidency for the bulk of it, while NYC was in the middle of a 50-year period of Democratic mayors (minus a little bit of quasi-Lindsay) as well as an ongoing century+ period of Democratic control of the City Council.

    I understand that you don't like the Republican party and that might tend to color your opinions, but that doesn't mean that you get to pretend that history played out differently than it did.
    You know, this actually shows a very important overlooked by the question. While nationally speaking both sides may be considered the establishment, on local and state levels one party or another typically has more stability in power than the other party. That is on local and state levels one party tends to dominate continually despite changes on a national level.

    So as an addendum to the original poster, I'd like to ask which party is the establishment in your local government and state government.

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