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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    The Martian government.
    Good luck with that...I hear their are a purely authoritarian state and dont allow their citizens rights to free speech. And they have ray guns that reduce you to bone and ash...provided that they dont kidnap you and run experiments on your body. I also hear they are extremely vulnerable to the warbling yodel of Slim Whitman...

    So...I take it because of your 'Martian Government' answer you get that not all countries view rights the same way...

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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I would say that all rights are natural, but not all rights are equal.
    I wouldn't. Because natural rights revolve around that which cannot be taken. For instance, you have natural ownership of your body. There are rights which come from social contract and rights which come from positive law as well. And these rights are different than natural rights, is how I would put it.
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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good luck with that...I hear their are a purely authoritarian state and dont allow their citizens rights to free speech. And they have ray guns that reduce you to bone and ash...provided that they dont kidnap you and run experiments on your body. I also hear they are extremely vulnerable to the warbling yodel of Slim Whitman...

    So...I take it because of your 'Martian Government' answer you get that not all countries view rights the same way...
    Like I said, if government won't enforce your rights, you have no rights.

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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wouldn't. Because natural rights revolve around that which cannot be taken. For instance, you have natural ownership of your body. There are rights which come from social contract and rights which come from positive law as well. And these rights are different than natural rights, is how I would put it.
    I would say that "rights" that come about by positive laws are actually privileges.

    And no one can take away your right to murder, which is why I consider it a natural right. They can, however, add consequences to the exercise of that right.
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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not going to be able to help you understand the concept of rights, because you are trying to monopolize the discussion to your own constructs. You are missing the point that all humans are born with certain needs and desires and those supercede government, these needs and desires are older than the social contract and law. The purpose of good law isn't to control every facet of human life, rather it is to protect against the worst desires of human nature such as murder, robbery, etc. Anarchy is slightly less desireable than a small government which is much more desireable than a full authoritarian government. You seem to play a nice appeal to authority game, but don't understand that they suppress rights by monopolizing force, they must use that force and coercion to suppress the most natural of rights, not the other way around.
    gag...

    I could just as easily say "I'm not going to be able to help you because you cling to this moronic principle that we are all granted these God given moral rights at birth"

    Im am SO anti-authoritarian. I also happen to be a realist. ive spent several years in other countries and witnessed first hand people that dont enjoy the same rights that we as citizens of the US enjoy. So there is a DRAMATIC inequality there...someone is getting screwed because they landed in the wrong family...got in the wrong line. Nuns that got bulldozed in Korea most DEFINTELY did NOT enjoy those human rights. Children that got raped, mutilated, and murdered in front of their parents in Kuwait by Iraqi troops didnt enjoy those rights. Starving people in the slums throughout the middle east...someone forgot to tell THEM that THEY TOO had all these 'rights'.

    Rights is an ideal...and it s a WONDERFUL concept. its just not reality for the majority of the world. They dont enjoy free speech. they dont even necessarily enjoy food...water (let alone clean drinkable water)...shelter...basic essentials of health care...etc

    We have a desire to GIVE these things to them because WE believe they SHOULD have them. We BELIEVE that because largely WE have them and want to share them.

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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Can you define what would be considered as "natural rights"? Make a list to them and then explain to us what makes them natural?
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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Like I said, if government won't enforce your rights, you have no rights.
    ummm..you...um...

    never mind...that pretty much says it all...

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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ummm..you...um...

    never mind...that pretty much says it all...
    Yeah seriously doesn't he know its having a gun that secures your rights?

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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Rights are an invention of man. So no. They are not natural at all.
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    Re: Are Rights Natural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Like I said, if government won't enforce your rights, you have no rights.
    Well, I dunno. If you enforce your own rights, then that may say you do have natural rights.
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