Says who? This is the question I keep asking over and over and all the libertarians can do is keep repeating the unsupported claim. How do you know "rights are given by nature"? Where did you get that information? How did you verify it? How, exactly, do you determine precisely what rights are given by nature and which ones are not? These are important questions that apparently no libertarian is able to answer.Originally Posted by Jray573
Zero. If there was no law and order, then things would be lawless and disorderly. Humans impose law and order on their societies to make those societies safer, healthier and more productive. Unfortunately, there are people who cannot justify their ideas with logic or reason, thus they try to impose their ideas by fiat, calling on an unchallengable authority figure as the source of their ideas, be it nature or a god or whatnot.If there were no society or government what rights would we have?
Sorry, "this is true because it's true" is irrational. The only thing anyone ought to care about is *WHY* you think it's right, what evidence you can present to demonstrate that it's right, what course of logical reasoning you have gone through to determine that it's right, etc.
Until you can do that, you're just spouting a load of nonsense.