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Where did the Universe come from?

Where did the Universe come from?


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The Universe came, and is.

Or perhaps it is not.

/shrug

Even if we are living in an artificial framework that just makes us think it's a universe, how could we possibly tell, and how would it matter to us in any meaningful way?
 
The Universe came, and is.

Or perhaps it is not.

/shrug

Even if we are living in an artificial framework that just makes us think it's a universe, how could we possibly tell, and how would it matter to us in any meaningful way?

if one accepts the following to be the self -evident truth:
I think, therefore I am,

then we can tell and it matters, unless you comlpetely abandon the process of thinking ( which it seems you have been advocating) and as it seems you have been calling for turn yourself into an animal.

But if one accepts the following to be the self -evident truth:
I think, therefore I am,

one should remember that this assumption has been used as a proof of God.

It is your choice, - either an animal, or a Christian.
 
twenty six pages of dialogue that put reefedjib in his place.

What!? Put me in my place?? It never happened. I never argued anything other than my opinion which is unassailable. I did not loose any argument here.
 
if one accepts the following to be the self -evident truth:
I think, therefore I am,

then we can tell and it matters, unless you comlpetely abandon the process of thinking ( which it seems you have been advocating) and as it seems you have been calling for turn yourself into an animal.

But if one accepts the following to be the self -evident truth:
I think, therefore I am,

one should remember that this assumption has been used as a proof of God.

It is your choice, - either an animal, or a Christian.

not a buddhist or a muslim or a taosit? or are they just animals?
 
not a buddhist or a muslim or a taosit? or are they just animals?

You are quoting out of the context and prescribing meanings which were not in the text, the meanings of your own perception, of your own choice.

I SAID –
IT
IS
YOUR
CHOICE.

If you choose Buddhism conscientiously abandoning the process of thinking (as it seemed to me the poster I replied to was suggesting) – then you look at them as a Buddhist.

For some reason I cannot get to my e-mail from DP; but I have to figure out why I was banned for “hate speech”. I can guess it was for the post you are questioning???

Again, it is very simple, - it is YOUR choice. If you choose hatred you see me and a buddhist or a muslim or a taosit as being hateful and capable of hate speech, to be the same as you are.

Obviously, I have chosen Christianity, thus in my perception they all – a buddhist or a muslim or a taosit, and even Captain Courtesy have souls however difficult could it be for you understand that even Captain Courtesy was created in God’s image and has a soul.

Now, I have answered your question. Please answer my question: – what is your choice, - do they all (and please do not exclude Captain Courtesy) have a soul, or soul does not exist or something else? What religion are you of?
 
I believe that God created the universe in a special fashion. I don't believe the universe is billions of years old either. Science has been hijacked by the naturalist's philosophy. I am the sole voter for option #3 :)
 
I believe that God created the universe in a special fashion. I don't believe the universe is billions of years old either. Science has been hijacked by the naturalist's philosophy. I am the sole voter for option #3 :)

Care to explain WHY you believe what you do?

1) What reason or evidence makes you believe God created the universe?

2) What makes you believe the universe isn't billions of years old? Have you read why geologists and scientists claim this?

3) how has science been "hijacked by the naturalist's philosophy"? What reason or evidence do you have for this or are you merely parroting your preacher's/Sunday_school_teacher's sermon?
 
the universe came from the big bang, and as i got told by an astrophysicist, what was before is irrelevant as there was nothing, no space or time

I would have to ask him..how was there a big bang if there was "NOTHING"
 
I voted God created the universe and then it evolved.

In my admitted non intellectual mind...something has to come from something...nothing is nothing...
So the scientific view that it came from nothing doesnt work for me.
 
I would have to ask him..how was there a big bang if there was "NOTHING"

How is there a god if there was nothing? Something had to come from something, right? So any 'god/dess' would have to come from something? So if it created everything, then where did it come from?

And if it has always existed, then the same could be said for energy in the universe. It just always existed.
 
"Asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what lies North of the North Pole" ~ Stephen Hawking (paraphrased).

If time was created at the the instant of the BB, our quaint ideas of things like time-constrained causality start to break down and stop working at that point. Beyond that? There are speculations on many lines of reasoning, but no-one knows for sure.
 
The question is invalid. "The Universe" is everything, so it can't "come from" anywhere, as everywhere is part of it.
 
the Universe simply has always been here, and will always be here. Only the Human mind thinks in terms of beginning and ending.
 
How is there a god if there was nothing? Something had to come from something, right? So any 'god/dess' would have to come from something? So if it created everything, then where did it come from?

And if it has always existed, then the same could be said for energy in the universe. It just always existed.

God Is a spirit...he doesnt have to have substance like we do and the universe does...
 
God Is a spirit...he doesnt have to have substance like we do and the universe does...
1) What is spirit?

2) Is there anyway to demonstrate that "spirit" exists as anything more than a concept in the one's mind?

3) What is the difference between
a) a substance that we have no evidence for or means of verifying exists
and
b) nothing
 
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A spirit is something you can't see or hear or detect and therefore you can't prove it doesn't exist, so it exists, but you can't see or hear or detect it. Simple logic. ;)
 
1) What is spirit?

2) Is there anyway to demonstrate that "spirit" exists as anything more than a concept in the one's mind?

3) What is the difference between
a) a substance that we have no evidence for or means of verifying exists
and
b) nothing

A spirit is an entity without physical mass.
There is no way to "PROVE" that a spirit exists...as well as there is no way for science to "PROVE" anything about how our universe was created...or first life..
What is the difference between a substance...you mean like global warming :)...we have no way of verifying that exists....yet alot of supposedly intelligent individuals believe it
 
Sentinel said:
There is no way to "PROVE" that a spirit exists...as well as there is no way for science to "PROVE" anything about how our universe was created...or first life..

This is seriously your argument? :confused:
 
What is the difference between a substance...you mean like global warming :)...we have no way of verifying that exists....yet alot of supposedly intelligent individuals believe it

Really? You're comparing a scientific theory with spirituality?
 
Let's just assume your assumption is correct.

Is 'he' something or is 'he' nothing?

God is not something. God is not nothing. God is spirit and underlies the entire universe. Everything in the universe is a part of God. God is in everything. God is found in the smallest and in the largest.

It is a matter of belief. There is no evidence for it.
 
Several interesting discussions have led me to do a poll, asking this important question. After voting, leave a comment on how you voted and what led you to think this way.

I can't honestly say any of your options fits for me.

I lean towards String Theory (actually M Theory, but most haven't heard of it) for the Micro and Multiverses for the Macro. Neither of which require magic superbeings.
 
I can't honestly say any of your options fits for me.

I lean towards String Theory (actually M Theory, but most haven't heard of it) for the Micro and Multiverses for the Macro. Neither of which require magic superbeings.

But M Theory (11 dimensional space-time, 7 dimensions closed) and Multiverses don't exclude or preclude the existence of God, either. There is room for both. One is spiritual and the others are astrophysical.
 
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