View Poll Results: Where did the Universe come from?

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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The scribes would have been pissed to have had to copy all that down in addition to the existing bible!
    Yeah well that's what they were being paid with slaves for so to bad for them.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    The evidence points toward the big bang.

    What caused the big bang or why it came about is unknown. AFAIK, any talk about what came "before" or "caused" the big bang is nonsense because before the planck time our understanding of physics breaks down.

    Perhaps its the christian god, perhaps its the hindu gods, perhaps its a ham sandwich. We just don't know.

    My answer is "I don't know". That is the best answer until more evidence or some other means of confirming a proposed theory is in (this includes the theory that god created the universe).

    "I don't know" is a valid answer. One doesn't have to reject the possibility of God or accept that God created the universe. One can simply not know. I believe that is the ONLY valid position to take barring personal claims of supernatural revelation or guidance, a conundrum all its own.
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    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    OT =/= scientific journal.

    Instead of simply stating that God stopped the Earth for a day, a journal would have gon into much detail of God applying an exaggerated torque induced gyroscopic precession.

    • How was the torque applied?
    • How much torque was applied?
    • What was the exact circumference of the precession?
    • How was the precession terminated?
    • Include a Climate Impact Statement.


    Instead all we got was "the sun stood still"...well no it didn't, that's just what it looked like to a lay man on the ground. That's not a technical explanation of the physics and methods involved.
    I was referring to the written by God part. Not the science part.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    My answer is that the universe was never created. That is a linear concept because we live a linear existence.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Damn if anyone knows the answer to that one. By definition, in fact, it couldn't have come from anywhere, since the origin of the originator would then become the de-facto origin, and the question merely moves back to "what was the origin of the origin's origin"?

    Since there's no evidence of any God or other supertition based entity, it's pointless to say "God".

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Damn if anyone knows the answer to that one. By definition, in fact, it couldn't have come from anywhere, since the origin of the originator would then become the de-facto origin, and the question merely moves back to "what was the origin of the origin's origin"?

    Since there's no evidence of any God or other supertition based entity, it's pointless to say "God".
    Either that or we could say we are limited by our own imaginations. If the universe does existed inside some other structure, than who is to say what the laws of physics are in that place. Maybe mass and energy can be created from nothing there.

    Here is a rather cool video that might help the discussion along. If it doesn't at least its an awesome video.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsgoXvnStY"]YouTube- Imagining the Tenth Dimension (annotated)[/ame]
    Last edited by tacomancer; 03-01-10 at 01:49 PM.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Either that or we could say we are limited by our own imaginations. If the universe does existed inside some other structure, than who is to say what the laws of physics are in that place. Maybe mass and energy can be created from nothing there.

    Here is a rather cool video that might help the discussion along. If it doesn't at least its an awesome video.

    YouTube- Imagining the Tenth Dimension (annotated)
    I made no reference to particular laws of physics.

    To claim that it was created implies a cause for origin which does nothing to answer the actual question.

    Adducing such actions to some "God" leads to these questions that serve only to increase the complexity of the answer without adding to understanding.

    Q: How was the Universe created?

    A: God did the deed.

    Q: Where did God come from?

    A: God's eternal and has always existed.

    Q: What environmental processes shaped God to give him the urge to build puppets and puppet stages?

    A: It's not like that.

    Q: Why isn't it?

    A: Because Allahu Akhbar!!!! Ask more questions and we'll cut your head off.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I was referring to the written by God part. Not the science part.
    I was referring to the whole thing together not broken up so you miss the point entirely part.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I made no reference to particular laws of physics.

    To claim that it was created implies a cause for origin which does nothing to answer the actual question.

    Adducing such actions to some "God" leads to these questions that serve only to increase the complexity of the answer without adding to understanding.

    Q: How was the Universe created?

    A: God did the deed.
    The question was how, not who.

    Q. How was my front axle repaired?

    A. Bob did it.

    The answer doesn't even attempt to address the question; irrelevant information.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Q: Where did God come from?
    Where god came from doesn't explain how the universe was made, so it doesn't matter. My mechanic could be from Kansas or California, but knowing that doesn't tell me one ****ing thing about what he did to repair my front axle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Q: What environmental processes shaped God to give him the urge to build puppets and puppet stages?
    The subject is how the universe was made, not how God was made.

    You see, Scarecrow, you hardly ever ask the right questions because you allow yourself to be thrown off topic so often.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-01-10 at 02:15 PM.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Interesting stuff here: [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_myth]Creation myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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