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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    its the polite way of scientists (and normal people) to say the don't have ****ing clue about before the big bang, and probably won't any time soon
    Physics is still applicable at the moment of the singularity and it must have the energy that is expressed in the bang. Where does it come from?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If I understand the big bang theory correctly. It is not a matter of nothing existing in a preexisting 4d space, there was nothing, not simply empty space waiting to be occupied. The big bang both created the space to be filled and the stuff to fill it with.

    This means that there is some outer edge to our universe, at least that would be my guess and going one step further, there is probably some structure that holds our universe and maybe other universes as well. What holds that structure? Well I guess its elephants all the way down, and maybe a turtle or two

    But yeah, my guess is that the cause of the big bang came from somewhere. Where? We can only guess.
    The size of the universe is not fixed, and changes. During the Planck epoch, it was very very small. It is not very very large. The best explanation(without math) that I know of is to think of the universe as the surface of a balloon. Blowing the balloon up us the expansion of the universe.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, yes. So saying there is no matter, only energy is inaccurate.
    Look, don't treat me like this! ;-) Matter is only energy in a bound state. They are the same. However, you can't have matter that is not energy, while you can have energy that is not matter. Therefore, matter is subordinate to energy.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Option 7: "We don't know."
    i'm with you on this.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Physics is still applicable at the moment of the singularity and it must have the energy that is expressed in the bang. Where does it come from?
    as i said earlier, you may have missed it

    it is impossible to study pre big bang because our perspective of the universe didn't exist, perhaps, one day there'll be an obscure branch of relativity that could find out what happened, but until then, we have nought a clue
    we can go to the singularity, but before that we can't know
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The size of the universe is not fixed, and changes. During the Planck epoch, it was very very small. It is not very very large. The best explanation(without math) that I know of is to think of the universe as the surface of a balloon. Blowing the balloon up us the expansion of the universe.
    Yeah. I totally agree, but its still not infinite in in any direction or maybe it is, once you start getting beyond 4 dimensions, these questions get murky.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Look, don't treat me like this! ;-) Matter is only energy in a bound state. They are the same. However, you can't have matter that is not energy, while you can have energy that is not matter. Therefore, matter is subordinate to energy.
    they are equal, if you take all the energy out of matter (by cooling it to 0 degrees K) it is still matter
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In Genesis the God created the Earth....put creation of the universe I would say is not directly discussed.

    In John I believe the Word is Jesus.
    This is where the "scientific" explanation is bypassed to a degree. I view them as saying earth meaning the non-spiritual realm of reality, whereas the heavens is not the sky but rather the spiritual plane.

    I think you are right that in John, the Word is Jesus. I thought that there was a Word of Creation, but I am not that familiar with the Bible.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    they are equal, if you take all the energy out of matter (by cooling it to 0 degrees K) it is still matter
    NO! That is taking all the free energy out of matter, but it still has the e=mc^2 style of rest energy bound up in the particles. The particles are energy. This is why fission will release energy as you break up a uranium atom.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    We have I think at least 2 people who post regularly who have degrees in physics, at least one of whom works in the field. I am waiting for one of them to find this thread and make us all look ignorant. Should be fun when they do, a good chance to learn.
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