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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Brane cosmology originally evolved partly from the work of Twistors by Roger Penrose, Hawking's partner in black hole radiation (Hawking radiation). Twistors defined time and space around them.

    What is so interesting to me are the scales of matter:
    • an atom is 10-10 m.
    • a nucleus is 10-15 m.
    • a proton is 10-15 m.
    • an electron is 10-18 m.
    • a quark is upper bounds 10-18 m.
    • a string is 10-35 m.
    • Planck length = 1.61625210−35 m.


    So an atom is 99.999% empty
    A proton, made up of 3 quarks, is 99.9% empty
    A quark, made up of several strings, is 99.9999999999999999% empty.

    There is no such thing as matter. It is only empty space, energy and force.
    Matter = energy. Important not to forget that. They are different aspects(?) of the same thing. Not sure if aspects is the right word there, but it's early, so cut me some slack.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Duck, dodge and weave!!
    its the polite way of scientists (and normal people) to say the don't have ****ing clue about before the big bang, and probably won't any time soon
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It does to a degree, of course this is highly metaphysical:
    In Genesis the God created the Earth....put creation of the universe I would say is not directly discussed.

    In John I believe the Word is Jesus.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am not asking a scientific question.

    The energy has to come from somewhere? Another place just moves the location of the question, where did the energy originally come from? I believe the answer is God.
    But then where did 'god' come from? It had to come from somewhere, right? So where did it come from?

    You have an infinite loop going here with that kind of logic.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Yes, infinite was a poor choice of word here. In my mind, it was never infinite, there is a beginning.
    but it is impossible to study pre big bang because our perspective of the universe didn't exist, perhaps, one day there'll be an obscure branch of relativity that could find out what happened, but until then, we have nought a clue
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Who knows?

    We have about as much of a chance at understanding the source of the universe as a gerbil.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Duck, dodge and weave!!
    No, it is a very specific answer. Before the universe is something beyond the scope of the study of the universe.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Remind me what the question was? If the question is where does the energy come from, it most certainly matters in a scientific context. The singularity must transfer energy.
    If I understand the big bang theory correctly. It is not a matter of nothing existing in a preexisting 4d space, there was nothing, not simply empty space waiting to be occupied. The big bang both created the space to be filled and the stuff to fill it with.

    This means that there is some outer edge to our universe, at least that would be my guess and going one step further, there is probably some structure that holds our universe and maybe other universes as well. What holds that structure? Well I guess its elephants all the way down, and maybe a turtle or two

    But yeah, my guess is that the cause of the big bang came from somewhere. Where? We can only guess.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by redress View Post
    matter = energy. Important not to forget that. They are different aspects(?) of the same thing. Not sure if aspects is the right word there, but it's early, so cut me some slack.
    e = mc^2





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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    e = mc^2





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    Well, yes. So saying there is no matter, only energy is inaccurate.
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