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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    No one knows for certain.

    All people can do is theorize or believe.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    i believe that god created the universe with big bang,we have been searching its details since we gained consciousness
    Last edited by Medusa; 03-17-12 at 02:06 PM.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    As far as I know not even the Bible speculates on any real details of how the universe was created, but I suppose one could imply that God created it. But the Bible isn't intended to explain it either.
    As scientists look at the "expanding" universe, a natural question is, "Will the universe continue to expand or is there enough matter and dark matter to cause the universe to reach a limit and with an elastic reversal - the expansion will stop and the universe will return to the origin of the BIG BANG?"

    In the last book of the Bible, a scripture poses an interesting comparison of everything rolling back up 'as a scroll.'

    Revelation 6:14
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    14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    Like the vagueness of a fortune teller, the Bible provides many descriptions useful for confirmation of one's beliefs. Missing from this word picture is the reality that an elastic 'roll-up' would take as much time as the universe has already existed: 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    No one knows for certain.

    All people can do is theorize or believe.

    ....and, there it is....

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why did you bump a thread that had been dead for 2 years?
    Drat! Redress is on to my diabolical plans!
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It isn't (at least not as we understand physics) and most physicists will tell you so. Once you're smaller than Plank size nothing holds.

    Many string theorists believe the Universe is cyclic, that it expands, then shrinks down to Plank size, then "expands" again - the "other" way. Don't ask me to explain it farther than that because I don't have a PhD in either math or physics and that's what it takes to really understand it. If those theories are true then the Universe would also be "everlasting".
    I agree that the universe wasn't so much created or came from something at it transformed from a singularity into the expansive space that now exists.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter what we believe.

    There are a few flaws in the theory of the big bang, but they're being smoothed out. The biggest issue is that of the singularity. There's really not enough data to speculate on what, if anything, existed before it, since the consistent laws of physics that we enjoy now did not exist prior to the big bang. But it's still, by far, the best explanation for the origin of the universe. They keep making predictions based on the theory, and they keep coming up true, the hallmark of accurate science.

    As for god... Sorry kids. The whole system works without a magic man directing it, so why add unnecessary details?
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Genesis 1
    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In Genesis the God created the Earth....put creation of the universe I would say is not directly discussed.

    In John I believe the Word is Jesus.
    If you want to roll your sleeves up and take a closer look at the Bible, CAUTION, your beliefs may change. I used to be a Christian and my small brain is full of it.

    When you dive into the Hebrew, some scholars believe thousands of years separate Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. I have heard hours and hours of Bible teaching about the 'possible' origin of the disembodied spirits that Jesus 'cast out' of people in the gospels. A major CLUE to many - lies in the Hebrew words found in Genesis 1:2 that translate "without form, and void." Those words, in the Hebrew, indicate "judgement." In other words, what YOU think of as the beginning of the universe is an assumption on your part. The Hebrew words of which I speak are:

    tohuw (to'-hoo); from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain: KJV-- confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) naught, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

    bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: KJV-- emptiness, void.

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    These two Hebrew words do not appear in the Bible together again except in one of the minor prophets. Translated into English, the communication fails and all of us form "belief-systems" based on inaccurate ideas.

    While we're talking about Genesis and incorrect beliefs, does anyone notice that the author of Genesis, Moses, includes two separate creation accounts? Christian doctrine isn't big on pointing out things like this.

    "In the beginning, about 3,000 years ago*, Jewish desert dwellers in what is present-day southern Israel told a story around campfires about the creation of the first man and first woman. The story they told, and passed on to generations of future desert dwellers, described a pre-creation scene much like the desert landscape in which they daily struggled for existence. From the dry desert dust the Creator forms a man and breaths life into him, and then places him in a beautiful oasis-like garden, abundant with fruits."


    "Four or five centuries later, five-hundred-plus miles to the east in what is most likely present-day Iraq, a remarkable Jewish writer... acquired at least two pre-existing writings on Jewish history. The prior writings came from different places and different times. One set of writings used the Canaanite term, “Elohim,” as the name of the creator god. A second set of writings, more ancient than the first, used a Judean term, “YHWH” (translated “Jehovah” in English), to describe its deity.

    The priest wove the two texts together, trying to avoid repetition and altering them where necessary to avoid blatant inconsistencies."


    The History of Genesis and the Creation Stories

    Another "fact" that Christian doctrine stays away from is revealed in:

    Genesis 1:26
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    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [a]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

    Christian preachers stay away from:

    Genesis 6
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    1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were [a]beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not [b]strive with man forever, [c]because he also is flesh; [d]nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

    And of course, what Christian will present a word-by-word closer look at Ezekiel chapter one? Do a search some time of every scripture that contains the word,"angel."

    When a very tall man in "shinning" clothing appears before you and says, "Fear not," don't soil your underwear, just know that a visitor from somewhere else has a message for you.

    My point is, roll up your sleeves and look at the Bible more closely before you hang your "belief-system-hat" on Genesis as an authority of how the "UNIVERSE" began.
    Last edited by Jack Webb; 03-17-12 at 04:22 PM.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The great thing about science is that it doesn't matter what we believe.

    There are a few flaws in the theory of the big bang, but they're being smoothed out. The biggest issue is that of the singularity. There's really not enough data to speculate on what, if anything, existed before it, since the consistent laws of physics that we enjoy now did not exist prior to the big bang. But it's still, by far, the best explanation for the origin of the universe. They keep making predictions based on the theory, and they keep coming up true, the hallmark of accurate science.

    As for god... Sorry kids. The whole system works without a magic man directing it, so why add unnecessary details?
    god is not a magic man ,but he is a superior force and he wont act like a magician who makes whatever you want , but whole the universe is his all magic.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    I find it possible, perhaps even probable, that there was a "big bang" that started it all off, based on what physics/astronomers are able to gather. What could have led to such a singularity, or existed just prior to it, is something so unexplainable that we might as well call it "God" or some higher power.

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