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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    A claim on something is not knowledge. I can state whatever I want and say I believe in it because of faith, but it gives me no new knowledge. In fact it gets me nowhere whatsoever.
    I agree, but only if you don't have the documentation or the demonstration to prove it.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I agree, but only if you don't have the documentation or the demonstration to prove it.

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    Are you claiming to have a documented unsubstantiated claim?
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Verrrry interesting... It reveals just how many closet religious and overt science believers there are on this forum.

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    Why am I not surprised to see another theist making statements as fact and then FAIL to intelligibly defend them.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    I am so sick of people pretending to know things they don't or can't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    When you have faith, you believe it to be true and that gives you knowledge.
    Thats NOT knowledge. Believing something to be true doesn't effect the truth of your belief whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Granted, it is not verifiable. But there is truth in the imagination.
    What?!?! By that standard there is truth to the boogeyman story...

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That is merely superficial personality. At their core they are divine. The true God is without form. All religions offer a primitive version of the true God, although Vedanta and Islam come closest.

    Sorry. Doch is an interesting German word that negates a negative.
    And you would know this how? Oh thats right I forget you don't draw distinctions between true knowledge and mere imagination. What an utterly baseless assertion...
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    I agree, but only if you don't have the documentation or the demonstration to prove it.

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    If you can demonstrate the truth of something then why do you need faith? You don't!

    The problem is no theist can demonstrate the existence of their god, the presence of miracles, spirit, souls, the devil, heaven, hell, or the holy spirit.
    All they can do is CLAIM such things exist. They never demonstrate or use reason or evidence to confirm or verify that which they claim.

    Instead you get those such as Reef who believe that because he can contemplate it in his mind and he wants it to be true then it MUST be true and real! Its downright ridiculous.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Hey, at least he admitted to not being rational or logical. I think that pretty much seals the deal on what he is trying to "argue". Frankly, I'm confused as to why he keeps responding; this is a debate forum after all, and one cannot debate with blind faith and feelings, no matter how warm and fuzzy they are.
    Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 03-29-10 at 07:33 PM.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    one cannot debate with blind faith and feelings

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    Re: I am so sick of people pretending to know things they don't or can't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Thats NOT knowledge. Believing something to be true doesn't effect the truth of your belief whatsoever.
    It is a form of knowledge.

    Oh thats right I forget you don't draw distinctions between true knowledge and mere imagination.
    No, I draw a distinction between those two different types of knowledge.

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    Re: I am so sick of people pretending to know things they don't or can't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is a form of knowledge.
    What "knowledge" exactly does imagination provide? Is there some way to confirm that your imagination represents reality rather than fiction?


    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    No, I draw a distinction between those two different types of knowledge.
    Please explain how you draw a distinction between imagination and verified confirmed theories and facts?
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

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    Re: I am so sick of people pretending to know things they don't or can't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    What "knowledge" exactly does imagination provide? Is there some way to confirm that your imagination represents reality rather than fiction?
    I believe I said faith provides knowledge, not imagination. Love also provides knowledge. There is no way to confirm it.



    Please explain how you draw a distinction between imagination and verified confirmed theories and facts?
    verified confirmed theories and facts are testable. Knowledge from faith is not.

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