View Poll Results: Where did the Universe come from?

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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, of course. Bald statements of religious belief always trump the facts and logic that prove them wrong.
    You have not used facts and logic to prove them wrong.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You mean except for the fact that God built the universe to do exactly what She wanted it to do, your statement that God's advance knowledge doesn't invalidate freewill works just fine.
    Even if She had fine tuned the result to maximize the number of souls liberated, it still would not invalidate that people act with freewill, they make their own choices. I think it is clear that people DO have freewill. The question is reconciling that with an omniscient creator. I have done so through the difference between predetermination and predestination.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Never wrong. Perfect omniscience. I'll just leave it at Predetermination, not Predestination.
    Never wrong? Have you read the bible AT ALL? I'll help point out some of it if you're having trouble.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Even if She had fine tuned the result to maximize the number of souls liberated, it still would not invalidate that people act with freewill, they make their own choices. I think it is clear that people DO have freewill. The question is reconciling that with an omniscient creator. I have done so through the difference between predetermination and predestination.
    Does god or does god not, know what I am going to type next? If god knows, then it's already been determined. If god doesn't know then it is not omniscient.

    Omniscience means that I cannot fool god by typing something other than what god knows I am going to type.

    As an exercise in learning your religion could you please direct us to the part of the bible that says god is omniscient?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Never wrong? Have you read the bible AT ALL? I'll help point out some of it if you're having trouble.
    Not really. I am not a Christian.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Does god or does god not, know what I am going to type next? If god knows, then it's already been determined. If god doesn't know then it is not omniscient.
    God knows. Still you use freewill.

    Omniscience means that I cannot fool god by typing something other than what god knows I am going to type.
    Correct, but you type it, not God.

    As an exercise in learning your religion could you please direct us to the part of the bible that says god is omniscient?
    Again, I am not familiar with the Bible.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not really. I am not a Christian.
    Oh, what god do you believe in then?

    God knows. Still you use freewill.
    It can't be both. You simply don't understand logic.

    Correct, but you type it, not God.
    You simply don't understand logic.

    Again, I am not familiar with the Bible.
    Right, I'm waiting to hear which god you believe in then.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You have not used facts and logic to prove them wrong.
    No, of course not. I keep saying "Allahu Akhbar", just like you.

    Right?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Even if She had fine tuned the result to maximize the number of souls liberated, it still would not invalidate that people act with freewill, they make their own choices. I think it is clear that people DO have freewill. The question is reconciling that with an omniscient creator. I have done so through the difference between predetermination and predestination.
    Hello?

    "fine tuned" does not equal "Omniscient". Doesn't even equal "Omnipotent".

    It means, too incompetent to do it right, and when you admit your God has the ability to pick and choose among his creatiosn, you're admitting your God doesn't love everyone, which begs the question why anyone would respect It?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hello?

    "fine tuned" does not equal "Omniscient". Doesn't even equal "Omnipotent".

    It means, too incompetent to do it right, and when you admit your God has the ability to pick and choose among his creatiosn, you're admitting your God doesn't love everyone, which begs the question why anyone would respect It?
    What!? You are off your rocker. It doesn't mean any of that. I don't think this fine tuning occured anyway, ignore I brought it up.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Oh, what god do you believe in then?


    It can't be both. You simply don't understand logic.


    You simply don't understand logic.


    Right, I'm waiting to hear which god you believe in then.
    I believe in a monotheistic God, whether the Abrahamic God or the Vedantic God. I generally follow Advaita Vedanta.

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