View Poll Results: Where did the Universe come from?

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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Well of course we don't know. I left that off on purpose. It's an invalid response as I am asking what you believe to be the likely case. Additionally, I included options 5 and 6 which state that it is general scientific formation or general creationism. You must be able to answer your belief from the options given.
    The problem is that the 2 answers that atheists might choose says "...god does not exist". Atheists don't make that pronouncement but rather "there is no evidence for the existence of any deity". So your choices are incomplete, hence that addendum of option #7.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If god is omnscient and made everything thus predetermining everything, then how can there not be predestination??

    I don't see how unless you redefine omniscience or predetermine.
    I have the feeling that that is a very deep question and I certainly don't have the answer to it.

    I am not a Christian, and I know very little about the debates within christiandome and freewill and predestination seems to be a central debate issue. The article linked on Predestination goes into some detail on the Christian debate. I am more a philosophical Hindu and there really isn't much of a section on it although they connect freewill to Karma.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Astonishingly enough, I agree with American on something. My personal view is that God probably didn't see the need to explain the minute details of physics to ancient people since they did not have any formal scientific education. The science in the first few chapters of Genesis was probably simplified and tailored to their frame of reference, however, the main point was not the science of the matter, but the moral understanding of the fall.
    Or it could be that without scientific knowledge the writers used the most popular story among the adherents of the god of abraham. Just like all the other religions have a creation story of their own.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I love how worked up non-believers get trying to disprove the existence of God and her act of creation.

    I am off to bed.

    No one is trying to disprove the existence of that which hasn't been shown to exist. At least, I am not. I mean, what's the point?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Negative. The universe allows for omniscience, creation and freewill. You are the one who is trying to use such a strict definition for omniscience that it excludes freewill. It doesn't work that way, buddy!
    Hmmm...you have no evidence to support your claim, and you have no logic supporting your claim.

    Religious piety on display at it's finest!


    Hint: If it ain't "strict" omniscience, it ain't "omniscience", it's "knowledgeable and sometimes wrong".

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hmmm...you have no evidence to support your claim, and you have no logic supporting your claim.

    Religious piety on display at it's finest!


    Hint: If it ain't "strict" omniscience, it ain't "omniscience", it's "knowledgeable and sometimes wrong".
    Never wrong. Perfect omniscience. I'll just leave it at Predetermination, not Predestination.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Or it could be that without scientific knowledge the writers used the most popular story among the adherents of the god of abraham. Just like all the other religions have a creation story of their own.
    That would work too.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Never wrong. Perfect omniscience. I'll just leave it at Predetermination, not Predestination.
    Fine. Both Predetermination and Predestination deny freewill.

    Neither denies that God knows exactly what you're going to do at every instant. And God only knows this because free will doesn't exist in an Omniciently created universe. It's what "omniscient" means.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrow akhbar View Post
    fine. Both predetermination and predestination deny freewill.

    Neither denies that god knows exactly what you're going to do at every instant. And god only knows this because free will doesn't exist in an omniciently created universe. It's what "omniscient" means.
    fail! Predetermination allows for freewill.



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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    fail! Predetermination allows for freewill.



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    Nope. Can't. It's pre-determined.

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