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  • From the Big Bang, not sure what was before. God does not exist and was not involved.

    39 38.24%
  • Not the Big Bang, but some other physical event. God does not exist and was not involved.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe without a Big Bang. Earth was especially created.

    2 1.96%
  • God created the Universe with a Big Bang and then the universe evolved.

    37 36.27%
  • Some other mechanism created the Universe, without God...

    13 12.75%
  • God created the Universe in some other fashion...

    9 8.82%
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Since 'science' defines all these natural laws that cause the universe to function
    science doesn't define anything. Scientists perform experiments that generate empirical data. Scientists formulate theories to explain the patterns in that data.

    If you disagree with a theory then you are urged to explain and demonstrate why other data does not fit with the currently accepeted theories. If all goes well others will reproduce your data to confirm your claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    why dont you think it would be a valid exercise to have people create a universe model? I think it would be EXTREMELY valuable to have students see what would happen if the earth was just another 100 miles away from its normal orbit.
    oh, how quaint. The implicit "fine tuner" argument.

    While we are at it, let's have kids try to make a human skeleton by molding and shaping the bones of monkeys. Then let's ask them how they think man evolved from a chimpanzee!!


    How many defeated and broken christian apologetics arguments can we shoe-horn into our science classrooms?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Notice...I am not even going to the religous aspect of intelligent design. Just leave the word out of it...no "Intelligent design"...call it Cosmos Building 101...
    Yea. Its not creationism, its intelligent design.
    They tried this in pennsylvania. Go watch the Nova documentary on the dover trial.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's not science and the only purpose served in learning about it is to learn how charlatans can use pseudo-scientific language to promote a non-scientific religious viewpoint. If the goal is to learn the science of biology, the time spent coverind ID would be better spent using a microscope to check feces for parasitic worms.
    I agree that learning biology is no place for learning about religion and religious creation myths.

    I will say again I don't know very much about ID, other than they are trying to ram Christian creationism down the throat of scientists and teach it as science. I find that completely ridiculous.

    I will also say again that the study of religions, not just Christianity, ought to be a part of school. A focus on creation myth is valuable.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    The Universe came from Mommyverse and DaddyVerse.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    science doesn't define anything. Scientists perform experiments that generate empirical data. Scientists formulate theories to explain the patterns in that data.

    If you disagree with a theory then you are urged to explain and demonstrate why other data does not fit with the currently accepeted theories. If all goes well others will reproduce your data to confirm your claims.

    oh, how quaint. The implicit "fine tuner" argument.

    While we are at it, let's have kids try to make a human skeleton by molding and shaping the bones of monkeys. Then let's ask them how they think man evolved from a chimpanzee!!


    How many defeated and broken christian apologetics arguments can we shoe-horn into our science classrooms?


    Yea. Its not creationism, its intelligent design.
    They tried this in pennsylvania. Go watch the Nova documentary on the dover trial.
    You know...I debated in my mind which word to use that wouldnt have some dingus playing stupid f-ing wordgames...ooops....should have known better.

    You simply arent worth the energy required to hit keys. I had you down for 'deliberate'...now...I'm not so sure...

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    sonova...motherf...

    How did I screw that up? What part of that gave ANY indication that it was a philosophical debate? Im talking the SCIENCE and PHYSICS of what makes the world go round...and what got us here.

    Good God....are people so AFRAID of the discussion of anything remotely God related that they cant see beyond their OWN fears and insecurities???
    If you're discussing science and physics, then ID has no place in the discussion. What next, young earth theories?

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I just wish everyone wasnt so damned afraid to have intelligent conversations about the stuff without having to feel the need to ram their version of the truth down other peoples throats...

    And totally joking about the gendered God thing...
    I have intelligent conversations about ID.

    The first step in having one is that all parties agree that ID is hogwash.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    God has no form. God is no entity that is separate from creation. Creation is from his own spiritual substance.

    Everything created is created from God. God is conscious. Even the turd is a part of God and God's consciousness.
    Your evidence for this hypothesis is what? Be precise.

    Since you claim that God is conscious, describe the environmental pressures compelled his consciousness. Note that one's awareness of self is the awareness of the existence of "not-self".

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You know...I debated in my mind which word to use that wouldnt have some dingus playing stupid f-ing wordgames...ooops....should have known better.

    You simply arent worth the energy required to hit keys. I had you down for 'deliberate'...now...I'm not so sure...
    Hollow assertions and tough talking may convince your friends and family, but here its understood as an admission of defeat.

    If you'd like to explain where I was playing word games then I'd be more than happy to address your concerns. But huffing and puffing is simply ignored.
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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    It came from Uranus.

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    Re: Where did the Universe come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I have intelligent conversations about ID.

    The first step in having one is that all parties agree that ID is hogwash.
    Fine. I didnt pose it as a gateway into a religous discussion. I dont have religous discussions...and certainly not online. Personally I find it boring.

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