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    Is Europe "freer" than America, or just as "free"?

    This is an interesting point. I know, through complete factual evidence, that America is one of the largest, most diverse, modern and strong economies on the planet that has ever been, and one of the freest and open societies in our history. The opposition by many EU supporters seems to be the argument that Europe, or at least the EU, could actually be the largest and most diverse economy in the world, with a better economic model, should the EU become a republic or a federal state structure in the future. They also claim EU politics is better, that there market economy is better and more stable, and regardless of how false or true these statements are, can they use the argument that the EU is a "freer", better place to live?
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    In terms of freedom I don't think it's as free as the US. When it comes to criticizing the government, the US is more free. The US is also more free when it comes to protesting. Depending on the country, there are laws in place that damage free speech by calling dissenting opinions hate speech (like speaking against homosexuals, Islam, etc.) Looking at the EU as a whole, I would say that the US is more free.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In terms of freedom I don't think it's as free as the US. When it comes to criticizing the government, the US is more free. The US is also more free when it comes to protesting. Depending on the country, there are laws in place that damage free speech by calling dissenting opinions hate speech (like speaking against homosexuals, Islam, etc.) Looking at the EU as a whole, I would say that the US is more free.
    Dont forget the second amendment.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Dont forget the second amendment.
    True, many European nations have gun restrictions or no guns allowed at all.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Any place where the right to bear arms is so egregiously and consistently violated cannot be called "free", not by any stretch of the imagination.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

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    Our perceptions of "freedom" are different. So radically different that it reflects in our own personal politics as well as our policy.


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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Any place where the right to bear arms is so egregiously and consistently violated cannot be called "free", not by any stretch of the imagination.
    but not everywhere thinks thats a right, here in Australia we figured it wasnt a right when someone went on a massacre in Tasmania.

    guns are for people that need them, military, police, farmers, not your average joe blow
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    What's ironic is that after Australia banned guns, violent crimes rose. AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN. Criminals can still get guns via the black market, law abiding citizens are denied their rights to defend themselves with a suitable weapon when guns are banned.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Just curious. If somebody was to rob your house, and you killed the robber, does it constitute a prison sentence? In the UK, you cant touch a robber. Even if he ties your family up or threatens you.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Just curious. If somebody was to rob your house, and you killed the robber, does it constitute a prison sentence? In the UK, you cant touch a robber. Even if he ties your family up or threatens you.
    Then what happens to these people? I seriously don't know.


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