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Thread: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As one who's usually found himself against (or simply apathetic to) pro-gun concerns...
    And you're "very conservative"?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you are trying to portray me as some insane paranoid who sits clutching his tin foil hat and AK47 waiting for the government goons to kick in his door...
    Not really, but you're insistence is scary....

    sorry. I'm a regular guy with a job and a family. I don't live in fear of much of anything.
    WHew... its all okay then.

    I wouldn't try to insist you were that type of person, but you're leaving alot of room for interpretation in what you write is all. Also I come from far of on the other side of things so I could see how it may seem like that, sorry.

    I said what I meant. Just because their beliefs might have been despicable to the majority does not give the gov't license to perform military-style raids unnecessarily.
    I wikid them up and the government became involved after illegal actions and violent gun fueled altercation. I don't know, sure they have the freedom to religion and playing messiah, though i think they belong in a mental institution of some sort, thats all and good. But apparently guns were in the mix.

    I'm simply aware that government must always be restrained and distrusted, and that the 2A is part of that. That was the position of our Founders...were they insane paranoids?
    Yes, government power must be checked, I agree. Distrusted? Not when its checked I would say, but I trust there are always people who are vigilant of the government in a structural sense.

    Hope you don't mind discussing it further.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    It's different. For starters kids in Europe are not subjected to curfews as far as I know. Teenagers here can drink a glass of wine if they want. They can also purchase contraceptives as they see fit with Universal Health Care.....

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Man, walking down the street with a beer would be great. To bad I have to go to like... Russia to do that.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You should always have an impressive looking knife in your kitchen that doesn't match your others, so that when you do shoot him you can cover your ass.

    Hey, the guy isn't supposed to be in your house, there's no reason to be punished for defending yourself.
    So...since this happened to a friend of mine...if a drunk kid mistakes your house for the one next door (thinking it's his friends) and tries to get in after a party, you're just going to kill him and plant a knife on him?

    You going to be like the guy in San Diego who killed a Japanese exchange student who was lost in his neighborhood? Or the guy who shot a Mexican immigrant in the back in Texas who was merely asking for water (yes, he was illegal, but that hardly qualifies for being shot in the back)?

    Are these people heroes of yours? Should you be able to shoot anyone on your property for a misunderstanding?

    Look, I'm all for gun rights and self-defense; but the fervor with which some people seem to WANT to shoot someone is what freaks me out.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No clue. He must have a hard-on for me or something.
    That makes two of us.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Unlike other nations, the United States only recourse WAS violence back in 1775. This nation has a tradition of freedom won by the gun and kept by the gun.

    Other nations have a tradition of freedom kept by asking the United States for help, like the UK and Australia and most of Europe.
    oh yes, i forgot, please, remind me when Australia has aked for your help, was it in ww1, ww2, nope, we were in long before you

    korea or vietnam? nope, we went with you, was it in iraq or afganistan? nope, we went with you.

    perhaps when we federated? nope, did that all by our selves, without violence, i wonder how we could of managed that without america?


    please, find me a time when australias freedom was threatened, and america jumped in and saved us, cause im struggling to remember it
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    My answer would be that European countries are free according to European cultural values. Although I personally think their freedoms are waning, just like freedoms in the United States are beginning to wane. The reason is the same in both cases: expansion of government. Europe has the EU parliament which largely was created without national referenda, and the U.S. has a two party duopoly.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    My answer would be that European countries are free according to European cultural values. Although I personally think their freedoms are waning, just like freedoms in the United States are beginning to wane. The reason is the same in both cases: expansion of government. Europe has the EU parliament which largely was created without national referenda, and the U.S. has a two party duopoly.
    Completely agree.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    In no way. For instance, the EU has a maximum of 48 hours week, so if you want to work more, you're out of luck. Many of them have even lower, France 35 hours. Who are to decide how many hours I want to work? To bear arms is really hard. Your merits doesn't decide your wage, union officals do. And most of your income (50-75%) will be given to the government. Also, there is a lot of uneccesary regulation, for instance when stores can keep open.
    Almost everything you said there is incorrect.

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