View Poll Results: Is the EU a freer, more open society in terms of rights and policies?

Voters
67. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    15 22.39%
  • No

    41 61.19%
  • Other - explain

    11 16.42%
Page 7 of 15 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 142

Thread: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

  1. #61
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    09-22-10 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    11,430

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    from that statement, i'd question how free you are if you live in fear of the government, and your only recourse is violence
    Unlike other nations, the United States only recourse WAS violence back in 1775. This nation has a tradition of freedom won by the gun and kept by the gun.

    Other nations have a tradition of freedom kept by asking the United States for help, like the UK and Australia and most of Europe.

  2. #62
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    09-22-10 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    11,430

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As a matter of fact, you can use "reasonable force" against him to repel him.
    What you cannot do is pursue him down the street and break a cricket bat over his head giving them brain damage. Or shoot him unless he's about to shoot you.
    You should always have an impressive looking knife in your kitchen that doesn't match your others, so that when you do shoot him you can cover your ass.

    Hey, the guy isn't supposed to be in your house, there's no reason to be punished for defending yourself.

  3. #63
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Wont have much effect, unless the "central government" is in tatters and the military cant keep the order of the general population.
    So, 30 million armed citizens, many of whom are veterans, dispersed amongst one of the largest land masses on the planet wouldn't have much effect? Bruv...you're military expertise is questionable...

    Baddies, taking the piss out of the second amendment, shooting good people.
    Why would they stop? Do you actually think criminals are effected by gun laws?

    The government isn't a person, that's the thing.


    What's the government made up of, Kaya?

    You was out there for a while! Thanks for your valuable service.
    Oh, you mean how long was I in Iraq? I was only there for seven months; April 07-October 07, Ramadi/Karma. 2004-2008 was how long I was in the Marines.

    They have jets, UAV, Predator Drones, Strategic bombers....id have to disagree. Plus, its nothing they have never fought in before.
    They have all of that in Iraq and Afghanistan, too. It's not an assurance of victory.

  4. #64
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Really? Wtf is he on about then?
    No clue. He must have a hard-on for me or something.

  5. #65
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    09-22-10 @ 04:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    11,430

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Same can be said about here.
    I see our chains.

  6. #66
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    no..................
    So the following where you said in response to Ethereal:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86
    I call bs on you being a former marine I've seen you in real life and you are not too impressive. But really a young marine would rape you in real life.
    Was in actuality a lie and bs in and of itself. You see, this is how to reduce your credibility quickly on any board.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  7. #67
    Sage
    kaya'08's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    British Turk
    Last Seen
    05-12-14 @ 01:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,363

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    no..................
    Then why say it?
    "If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in quite a different world" - Christopher Hitchens
    > Good to be back, but I'm only visiting for a few weeks. <

  8. #68
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    04-02-15 @ 06:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,211

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    no..................
    Then why would you say I wasn't a Marine? Are you just a douche or something?

  9. #69
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    In your dreams...
    Last Seen
    05-29-12 @ 02:53 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,621

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Aww... is this another thread about how we need guns to start a hypothetical violent revolution against the government cause government is evil?

    What's the government made up of, Kaya?
    Standard operating procedures, protocols, and bureaucrats?

    Other nations have a tradition of freedom kept by asking the United States for help, like the UK and Australia and most of Europe
    As juvenile and nifty as that sounds, its cool that they're friends. I don't see what that has to do with the right to bear arms though.

    I can't say that europe is any more or less 'free' but different.

  10. #70
    Global Moderator
    The Hammer of Chaos
    Goshin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dixie
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,190

    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    I wasn't going to stick my nose in this, but something became too annoying.

    I know it is popular to poo-poo the notion of the Second Amendment as a safeguard against government tyranny, and to make ludicrous comparisons about how citizens with rifles are going to fight the entire US Military in open battle... as if we'd stand shoulder-to-shoulder like Lexington and Concord all over again.

    The thing is, that's not the point.

    I could speak at length about Fourth Generation Warfare, and how a substantial portion of the US military would probably defect if called on to fight its own citizens. But that still isn't the point.

    The point is that an armed citizenry makes government more cautious than it would otherwise be about infringing on their citizen's rights in most cases. Push them too far and you end up with dead enforcers, and possibly dead politicians. Politicians fear being assassinated... that is why some have tried to ban certain high-powered long-range rifles used by snipers.

    It isn't about fighting the military in open warfare, it is about the ability of the people to immediately engage in armed resistance when the government goes too far.

    Such a capacity necessarily makes government a little more circumspect than it would be otherwise. Witness the aftermath of the Weavers at Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidians in Waco. In both cases gov't pushed too hard, took significant casualties, suffered lots of bad press and bad public opinion... and since then has been a lot more circumspect about launching military-style raids on despised religious minorities.

    Fiddling While Rome Burns
    ISIS: Carthago Delenda Est
    "I used to roll the dice; see the fear in my enemies' eyes... listen as the crowd would sing, 'now the old king is dead, Long Live the King.'.."

Page 7 of 15 FirstFirst ... 56789 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •