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Thread: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    True freedom cannot exist where the state has a monopoly on violence. How can you insure your other freedoms when you have no recourse to defend them?
    from that statement, i'd question how free you are if you live in fear of the government, and your only recourse is violence
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    from that statement, i'd question how free you are if you live in fear of the government...
    I don't live in fear of the government. The government lives in fear of me, as it should be.

    ...and your only recourse is violence
    It's not the only recourse, it's the last recourse, one that many Europeans do not have.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    True freedom cannot exist where the state has a monopoly on violence. How can you insure your other freedoms when you have no recourse to defend them?
    Yes, they also have a legal monopoly over there citizens. So if they wish to use there monopoly of "violence" on us, then they will be sure to use there "legal" monopoly to ban guns before they do it.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Yes, they also have a legal monopoly over there citizens. So if they wish to use there monopoly of "violence" on us, then they will be sure to use there "legal" monopoly to ban guns before they do it.
    Huh? What are you saying mate?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Just curious. If somebody was to rob your house, and you killed the robber, does it constitute a prison sentence? In the UK, you cant touch a robber. Even if he ties your family up or threatens you.
    As a matter of fact, you can use "reasonable force" against him to repel him.
    What you cannot do is pursue him down the street and break a cricket bat over his head giving them brain damage. Or shoot him unless he's about to shoot you.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Huh? What are you saying mate?
    As reality would have it, you dont need loose gun laws to kick start a civilian revolt or revolution. The Taliban are working wonders, even when guns are banned....so if the governments turns on you, do not fear. The black market is here.....

    EDIT: You didn't get what i said initially?
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As a matter of fact, you can use "reasonable force" against him to repel him.
    What you cannot do is pursue him down the street and break a cricket bat over his head giving them brain damage. Or shoot him unless he's about to shoot you.
    In the UK? Or US?
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As a matter of fact, you can use "reasonable force" against him to repel him.
    What you cannot do is pursue him down the street and break a cricket bat over his head giving them brain damage. Or shoot him unless he's about to shoot you.
    Reasonable is a subjective adverb... unless a definition of "reasonable" is clear, the vague and vacuous nature of it's subjectivity renders the word meaningless.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No.Most states recognize the right to defend yourself,home and family.


    Not all states have the castle doctrine. So yes if you defend yourself against a criminal in your home you may get into trouble. You should read some up on the castle law like this one "The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion, or provoked or instigated an intruder to threaten or use deadly force". But then again I live in Illinois and we have a weak castle law system. Go figure.

    I think one thing Europe has that the US is missing is legalized prostitution like red light districts in Germany or the low countries. Plus a no drinking age like Denmark would be nice.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    As reality would have it, you dont need loose gun laws to kick start a civilian revolt or revolution. The Taliban are working wonders, even when guns are banned....so if the governments turns on you, do not fear. The black market is here.....
    I'd rather have my arms readily available. Tyrannical governments don't let rebels call a time out...

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