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Thread: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    In no way. For instance, the EU has a maximum of 48 hours week, so if you want to work more, you're out of luck. Many of them have even lower, France 35 hours. Who are to decide how many hours I want to work? To bear arms is really hard. Your merits doesn't decide your wage, union officals do. And most of your income (50-75%) will be given to the government. Also, there is a lot of uneccesary regulation, for instance when stores can keep open.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but not everywhere thinks thats a right...
    Well, they're wrong. I have a right to defend myself, despite what you may think. Any country which denies this right is not free.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Just curious. If somebody was to rob your house, and you killed the robber, does it constitute a prison sentence?
    No.Most states recognize the right to defend yourself,home and family.

    In the UK, you cant touch a robber. Even if he ties your family up or threatens you.
    That is seriously ****ed up.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What's ironic is that after Australia banned guns, violent crimes rose. AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN. Criminals can still get guns via the black market, law abiding citizens are denied their rights to defend themselves with a suitable weapon when guns are banned.
    but america still have almost 4 times australia when it comes to murders per capita Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

    and almost 10 times more murders with firearms Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

    plus we havn't had a massacre since the gun ban started, no-ones shot up a pub, or a school, so overall i'd say we're safer without 'em
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, they're wrong. I have a right to defend myself, despite what you may think. Any country which denies this right is not free.
    and what, you're incapable of defending yourself without a gun?

    i feel safer when i wander the city at night because i know that if someones gonna try and mug me, they're going to use a knife, which is much easier to defend against than a gun
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but america still have almost 4 times australia when it comes to murders per capita Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

    and almost 10 times more murders with firearms Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

    plus we havn't had a massacre since the gun ban started, no-ones shot up a pub, or a school, so overall i'd say we're safer without 'em
    America may have more crimes per capita, but it isn't due to gun legalization as statistics from australia shows. One thing America deals with more is gangs and illegal immigrants who are both more likely to commit violent crime.

    And how often does Australia have massacres? It has only been a few years since the last one and since the gun ban. More violent crime has been committed after the gun ban, does it matter if a massacre happens when violent crime overall is on the rise?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but america still have almost 4 times australia when it comes to murders per capita Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

    and almost 10 times more murders with firearms Murders with firearms (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map.

    plus we havn't had a massacre since the gun ban started, no-ones shot up a pub, or a school, so overall i'd say we're safer without 'em
    But violent crime in Australia is higher than in the US, even before the gun ban.
    Britain, Australia top U.S.<br> in violent crime

    "The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime. "
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, they're wrong. I have a right to defend myself, despite what you may think. Any country which denies this right is not free.
    That depends on your definition of what free is. If you define being "free" as having the rights to posses a gun, then your definition of being "free" is very narrow. The term free is used to describe a set of circumstances, not just one, or two, but many. A "free" country will not necessarily meet all the circumstances used to define "free", therefore we measure our freedom as the "level of freedom". The gun issue in Europe makes us less free than the US. It doesn't make us devoid of freedom.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    and what, you're incapable of defending yourself without a gun?
    Is this a serious comment? Why should I make it easier for someone else to kill me?

    i feel safer when i wander the city at night because i know that if someones gonna try and mug me, they're going to use a knife, which is much easier to defend against than a gun
    How could you possibly know that? Are there no guns in Australia?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    That depends on your definition of what free is. If you define being "free" as having the rights to posses a gun, then your definition of being "free" is very narrow. The term free is used to describe a set of circumstances, not just one, or two, but many. A "free" country will not necessarily meet all the circumstances used to define "free", therefore we measure our freedom as the "level of freedom". The gun issue in Europe makes us less free than the US. It doesn't make us devoid of freedom.
    True freedom cannot exist where the state has a monopoly on violence. How can you insure your other freedoms when you have no recourse to defend them?

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