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Thread: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well we could start with their ban of books like Mein Kampf in the Netherlands, Austria - and the recent laws making it illegal to photograph public buildings in the UK. I must admit that this is how I read the implications of the law but I could be wrong. Also, the European stance on "hate speech" is quite ridiculous. Sending people to jail for speaking out against Muslim expansion or sending Muslims to jail for hate speech is quite worrying.

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    Police protest over terror law ban on holiday snaps | News

    The UK is a leading member of the EU and my concern would be that some of the newer members will try to imitate the already draconian laws to be more accepted by the rest of the European continent.
    I was not aware of this new law in the UK. I suspect it will be ignored by overworked police officers who prioritise protecting citizens rather than intimidating them.

    Nor was I aware that Mein Kampf was banned in NL and Austria. I'm pretty sure it has been banned in Germany since the end of the war, no? Having actually read the thing I can sympathise with the legislators, it has no redeeming qualities. Nevertheless banning books is a step in the wrong direction.

    Hate speech I'll have to get back to you about. I'm really not fully apprised of where such laws apply and how they apply differently in different member states. I approve of hate crime legislation generally if it used as an aggravating factor to existing offences. I can't imagine how a hate crime could be that and not another indictable offence too. You beat someone up, it's assault, GBH, attempted murder or whatever. If you do it because the victim was selected as a member of a particular group, that makes it a hate crime and increases the sentence by, say 30%.

    I can't see how hate speech can be indictable unless it also incited violence. I disagree with all blasphemy laws too.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    Police protest over terror law ban on holiday snaps | News


    The UK is a leading member of the EU and my concern would be that some of the newer members will try to imitate the already draconian laws to be more accepted by the rest of the European continent.
    It is not illegal to photograph public buildings in the UK.
    It's illegal to photograph members of the security services in the performance of their duties (in uniform). This is to avoid the targeting of security services for acts of terror.
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    The family of one in Derry targeted..
    http://www.psni.police.uk/attacks_on...s_derry_110909

    The famous shooting in Belfast.
    Or the targeting of UK service personel
    Tributes paid one year on from shooting of soldiers at barracks - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 08, 2010

    None of the above were on duty at that time.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Some better options would have been:
    1. More free
    2. As free
    3. Less free

    If you say "no", that could mean you either think Europe is not more free than the U.S. or you think they are less free.

    I bet that's why such a large percentage are saying "no".

    As for me, I think they are as free.
    Last edited by Jucon; 03-10-10 at 01:03 AM.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" than America, or just as "free"?

    Agree with the above.
    Since this one OBVIOUSLY leaves off the possibility that America is Freer. Allowing only 'just as free'.

    1. Europe is Freer.
    2. AMERICA IS FREER
    3. They are about the same.

    In the area of Speech/"Hate Speech" America IS freer.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    but not everywhere thinks thats a right, here in Australia we figured it wasnt a right when someone went on a massacre in Tasmania.

    guns are for people that need them, military, police, farmers, not your average joe blow
    I need guns in case people who want to impose their concept of need on me take power.



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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Any place where the right to bear arms is so egregiously and consistently violated cannot be called "free", not by any stretch of the imagination.
    We have the right to bear arms in all European countries.

    The difference is, we just dont hand them out to anyone at any time. Other than that, anyone who isnt a criminal can carry arms. But not all over the place for no reason at all.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    We have the right to bear arms in all European countries.

    The difference is, we just dont hand them out to anyone at any time. Other than that, anyone who isnt a criminal can carry arms. But not all over the place for no reason at all.
    When did we start handing out guns?
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    In no way. For instance, the EU has a maximum of 48 hours week, so if you want to work more, you're out of luck. Many of them have even lower, France 35 hours. Who are to decide how many hours I want to work? To bear arms is really hard. Your merits doesn't decide your wage, union officals do. And most of your income (50-75%) will be given to the government. Also, there is a lot of uneccesary regulation, for instance when stores can keep open.

    This is not true... These are GUIDELINE hours.

    No EU state have more than 50% tax pressure, and few have over 40%. In fact, on average they pay not much more tax than people do in the US.

    Merits decide the pay you get, but in addition Europeans have stronger protection than Americans, which is why Europe is not as fu**ed up and people dont get screwed over all the time.
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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I need guns in case people who want to impose their concept of need on me take power.
    That won't work. Guns would only be useful in a dystopia, where their is no power but only clans that fight against one another. One thing though-that some do not like to admit-is that men are typically aggressive. So it doesn't matter if they have access to a gun or not their will be violence. It's just about preventing the weapons that can be easily concealed like a gun from falling into the wrong hands. And that is why I would support a gun ban across the nation.
    You talk about people "imposing" thier concept on you. But there will always be social pressures on the individual and that comes from family, friends, and the government and even total strangers. The object is to make society realize that you have cannot control a person's will to live like they want to. With that you wouldn't even have to worry about the government. And quite possibly then the government would worry about protecting the people from criminals rather than protecting criminals from the people, which is not the way it is suppose to work.

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    Re: Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

    Not with the Muslim takeover your not freer. Be careful not to offend them or they will Jihad your ass.


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