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Is Europe "freer" that America or just as "free"?

Is the EU a freer, more open society in terms of rights and policies?


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Any place where the right to bear arms is so egregiously and consistently violated cannot be called "free", not by any stretch of the imagination.

We have the right to bear arms in all European countries.

The difference is, we just dont hand them out to anyone at any time. Other than that, anyone who isnt a criminal can carry arms. But not all over the place for no reason at all.
 
We have the right to bear arms in all European countries.

The difference is, we just dont hand them out to anyone at any time. Other than that, anyone who isnt a criminal can carry arms. But not all over the place for no reason at all.

When did we start handing out guns? :confused:
 
In no way. For instance, the EU has a maximum of 48 hours week, so if you want to work more, you're out of luck. Many of them have even lower, France 35 hours. Who are to decide how many hours I want to work? To bear arms is really hard. Your merits doesn't decide your wage, union officals do. And most of your income (50-75%) will be given to the government. Also, there is a lot of uneccesary regulation, for instance when stores can keep open.


This is not true... These are GUIDELINE hours.

No EU state have more than 50% tax pressure, and few have over 40%. In fact, on average they pay not much more tax than people do in the US.

Merits decide the pay you get, but in addition Europeans have stronger protection than Americans, which is why Europe is not as fu**ed up and people dont get screwed over all the time.
 
I need guns in case people who want to impose their concept of need on me take power.

That won't work. Guns would only be useful in a dystopia, where their is no power but only clans that fight against one another. One thing though-that some do not like to admit-is that men are typically aggressive. So it doesn't matter if they have access to a gun or not their will be violence. It's just about preventing the weapons that can be easily concealed like a gun from falling into the wrong hands. And that is why I would support a gun ban across the nation.
You talk about people "imposing" thier concept on you. But there will always be social pressures on the individual and that comes from family, friends, and the government and even total strangers. The object is to make society realize that you have cannot control a person's will to live like they want to. With that you wouldn't even have to worry about the government. And quite possibly then the government would worry about protecting the people from criminals rather than protecting criminals from the people, which is not the way it is suppose to work.
 
This is not true... These are GUIDELINE hours.

No EU state have more than 50% tax pressure, and few have over 40%. In fact, on average they pay not much more tax than people do in the US.

Merits decide the pay you get, but in addition Europeans have stronger protection than Americans, which is why Europe is not as fu**ed up and people dont get screwed over all the time.

Merits decide the pay you get? Really? By merits I am assuming that if someone comes into work everyday and works every hour possible they would be highly payed? But what happens when that individual is a quiet individual would he be making as much as a social individual who really spends his time talking with other coworkers, especially the bosses? Because you see if Europe or for that matter the US cared about merits. The guy who works consecutively should be getting paid more because that loud mouth really isn't putting in their all for the job. Yet time and time we see that the individual who is more social and socially approachable wins out. Heck, I have met bosses who were not good people but yet they held the position to fire and raise salaries.
Europe is fuked and the US is fuked the question should be who is going to be having more fun when the chit hits the fan? And I can say that the Europeans will be having the biggest fun, that doesn't mean they are better though.
 
Not with the Muslim takeover your not freer. Be careful not to offend them or they will Jihad your ass.

And what about the Mexicans here? Or even the blacks? We suffer more here from racism than in Europe. Even if they are being "invaded" by Muslims.
 
And what about the Mexicans here? Or even the blacks? We suffer more here from racism than in Europe. Even if they are being "invaded" by Muslims.
Look, the US taught the world what liberty and self-government is, period.
 
In a word? No.
 
And what about the Mexicans here? Or even the blacks? We suffer more here from racism than in Europe. Even if they are being "invaded" by Muslims.

Suffer from what? Our own lack of motivation to improve our selfs? Gimme a break! The only thing racism affects in the US anymore is how often you can play the race card.
 
Merits decide the pay you get? Really? By merits I am assuming that if someone comes into work everyday and works every hour possible they would be highly payed? But what happens when that individual is a quiet individual would he be making as much as a social individual who really spends his time talking with other coworkers, especially the bosses? Because you see if Europe or for that matter the US cared about merits. The guy who works consecutively should be getting paid more because that loud mouth really isn't putting in their all for the job. Yet time and time we see that the individual who is more social and socially approachable wins out. Heck, I have met bosses who were not good people but yet they held the position to fire and raise salaries.

This exist everywhere..
I find it shamefully when people who do a bad job, but are better at sucking up to the boss or saying the right things at the right time, gets a raise, and not the hard worker. But hey, thats corporate culture like it is around the world. Unfortunately.

I do like to think in the end that the hard worker who just do a good job always win out, everywhere. I think there is no difference on this in Europe or America. Its a human problem, not a regional one.

Europe is fuked and the US is fuked the question should be who is going to be having more fun when the chit hits the fan? And I can say that the Europeans will be having the biggest fun, that doesn't mean they are better though.

Everything is fuc**d up basically... Doesnt mean Europe doesnt pay on merits, because they do..
 
Where does this delusion come from? How about your "jewish takeover" :2funny:

It comes from the rising Muslim population in Europe and terrorist threats/extremists within the country. Sorta like how when a cartoonist draws Muhammad the extremists sentence him to death. Sorta like how in some European countries they caved in and allowed Muslims to uphold their laws in certain communities (Shariah and all that it entails). There is no "Jewish" take over, I have no idea what you are talking about. Europe is being infiltrated by extremists and their weak and squishy governments are to scared to take a stance on things.
 
It comes from the rising Muslim population in Europe and terrorist threats/extremists within the country.

The only time Europe had a rising Muslim population was when we "imported" these people from Algeria, Turkey, Marocco and other countries in the 60s and 70s to provide cheap labour.

Sorta like how when a cartoonist draws Muhammad the extremists sentence him to death.

I am sure European fascists have also sentenced Muslim leaders and Jewish peope do death. That doesnt make it mainstream or reality. Certainly didnt make it actuality.


Sorta like how in some European countries they caved in and allowed Muslims to uphold their laws in certain communities (Shariah and all that it entails).

Really? You would have to enlighten me of where that is, because in the real world, the one not affected by American fascist propaganda, that is not reality. In the real world, all European states have statewide laws(civil law) that are NOT possible to avoid. We also have a European charter of fundamental rights, which no laws can avoid.

Your view that there is some other law in some parts is ridiculous.

There is no "Jewish" take over, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Just like there is no Muslim takeover. Its just extremists who wants you to believe both.. That was my point.. Thats why I had a big laughing face after that statement.


Europe is being infiltrated by extremists and their weak and squishy governments are to scared to take a stance on things.

Like America is has been infiltrated by Jewish extremists? :thumbdown:2funny:


I think you should say hello to reality and refuse American fascist republican propaganda.
 
It comes from the rising Muslim population in Europe and terrorist threats/extremists within the country. Sorta like how when a cartoonist draws Muhammad the extremists sentence him to death. Sorta like how in some European countries they caved in and allowed Muslims to uphold their laws in certain communities (Shariah and all that it entails). There is no "Jewish" take over, I have no idea what you are talking about. Europe is being infiltrated by extremists and their weak and squishy governments are to scared to take a stance on things.

That's a big delusion. Europe is nearly 30 countries, not one. Americans not only call for the death penalty for those they disagree with, they shoot abortionists, or workmates, or anyone who gives them a bad day. (see how generalisation works?) Sharia is voluntarily used in some Muslim communities, subject to the overriding law of the country in question. It is far less common than the similar Beth Din (Jewish) courts, which are ubiquitous. Rightwing religious extremists have far more traction in the USA than they do in Europe.
 
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