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  • Health care

    30 26.79%
  • Food

    35 31.25%
  • Water

    39 34.82%
  • Other people's wealth

    7 6.25%
  • A job

    17 15.18%
  • A minimum or "living" wage

    30 26.79%
  • None of the above

    61 54.46%
  • Other

    26 23.21%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    IMO you have a right to do anything that government won't stop you from doing.

    I cannot stress this enough, you do not have the right to the wealth of others.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Iwa View Post
    I know I am probably not going to change your mind but this world really is a sick place. But people with riches don't really give despair a second thought. If they did try other peoples shoes they wouldn't like it.
    You might be the one that could use a little expansion of your horizons. I know MANY very wealthy people who VOLUNTARILY...not by the point of a sharp stick which the government weilds...donte not just money but significant time to the service of people. Our nation is a tremendous example of the generosity of the INDIVIDUAL. I think we are even MORE generous WITHOUT government involvement.

    And I will try not to be derisive of you, but...Ive spent years in places a lot of people dont even read about. Ive seen things firsthand that would make a lot of people curl up a ball and cry. And in spite of the horror that exists there are still outstanding and shining examples of how powerful and positive some people can be. No...you wont change my mind at all. Some sick people? Sure. But the world in general...the world just exists. Its what people do in it. Which is why this ridiculous discussion about 'rights' is so foolish and naive.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Of the following, which do you feel is a "right", i.e., a moral claim on something?

    Health care.
    Food.
    Water.
    Other people's wealth.
    A job.
    A minimum or "living" wage.
    None of the above.
    Other.
    Other people's wealth?? What are we, Robin Hood?

    Some of you are looking at it backwards... It's not about the individual's right to something...

    It's about the American (and Christian) belief that we help those less fortunate. We are a compassionate nation and we've developed safety nets and pragmatic legislation (minimum wage) to protect the working classes and promote a better standard of living. Lessons learned from the abuses of the early factories and mine, and devastating poverty and crime of the great depression...

    The way we go about doing this--how much government, how little, will always be debated. But, this notion that all public programs do nothing for the greater good is asinine...

    There are abuses and inefficacy. There is waste. But every single day of you life, you benefit from a government sponsored program...

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Other people's wealth?? What are we, Robin Hood?

    Some of you are looking at it backwards... It's not about the individual's right to something...

    It's about the American (and Christian) belief that we help those less fortunate. We are a compassionate nation and we've developed safety nets and pragmatic legislation (minimum wage) to protect the working classes and promote a better standard of living. Lessons learned from the abuses of the early factories and mine, and devastating poverty and crime of the great depression...

    The way we go about doing this--how much government, how little, will always be debated. But, this notion that all public programs do nothing for the greater good is asinine...

    There are abuses and inefficacy. There is waste. But every single day of you life, you benefit from a government sponsored program...
    I dont think we disagree...except maybe the source of those programs. I have said forever here that if the states want to institute health care...grand...good on them. But to trust a federal government that is so bloated it cant even get out of its own way to run this or ANY public program is asenine. Even IF they ran it efficiently (and they havent and wont) thats STILL a huge chunk of cash wasted at the federal level simply due to beauracracy.

    Rights simply dont come into play, other than the governmental limitations put in place to create a foundation to secure American citizens 'rights'.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When I am.
    But, that's not now.
    Except that it is. But like I said, an honest person...
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    I have the right to declare random things "rights," to further my argument.

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    "Japanese American internment was the forced relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of approximately 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese residing along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.[1][2] The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, whereas in Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans composed nearly a third of that territory's population, only 1,200[3] to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned.[4] Of those interned, 62% were United States citizens"
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment]Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    So much for our so called "rights!"

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you told people in Africa they had an 'unalienable right' to food, water, shelter, job, safety, and now the internet...they would look at you like you didnt possibly understand how the world really works...
    I would hope sane Americans would also look at me as if I didn't possibly understand how the world really works. I would never tell anybody such a thing.

    I don't believe ANYBODY as an 'unalienable right" to food, water, shelter, job, safety, and/or the internet or anything else that requires contribution or participation by others. We do have an 'unalienable right' to acquire such things for ourselves so long as we do not interfere with or violate the right of others.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You might be the one that could use a little expansion of your horizons. I know MANY very wealthy people who VOLUNTARILY...not by the point of a sharp stick which the government weilds...donte not just money but significant time to the service of people. Our nation is a tremendous example of the generosity of the INDIVIDUAL. I think we are even MORE generous WITHOUT government involvement.

    And I will try not to be derisive of you, but...Ive spent years in places a lot of people dont even read about. Ive seen things firsthand that would make a lot of people curl up a ball and cry. And in spite of the horror that exists there are still outstanding and shining examples of how powerful and positive some people can be. No...you wont change my mind at all. Some sick people? Sure. But the world in general...the world just exists. Its what people do in it. Which is why this ridiculous discussion about 'rights' is so foolish and naive.
    lols id love to be where you live. around here, noone is generous except the church, and im non religious. The U.S. in most rich neighborhoods are stuck up snobs who dont give a damn.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Rights are not rights if they can be taken away." ~ George Carlin
    Which was an awesome refute against prejudism in America's airport security, albeit loosening up the past two years.

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