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  • Health care

    30 26.79%
  • Food

    35 31.25%
  • Water

    39 34.82%
  • Other people's wealth

    7 6.25%
  • A job

    17 15.18%
  • A minimum or "living" wage

    30 26.79%
  • None of the above

    61 54.46%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Who says anyone will pay for it

    If I need food and or water, I am going to take food and or water.

    I wont particularly care either was given freely or taken by force, as long as I survive
    Exactly! A person's life is more important than some obscure philosophy. Not that violence is good or anything, but in order of priorities, life is pretty much at the top.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What if they are and 90% of a population dies from thirst?
    1. How could someone actually control the entire water supply? I don't think that's even possible, since rain falls out of the sky.

    2. If 90% of the population was without water I'm sure they'd rectify the situation with violence.

    I wish I could find an article on it, but during the robber-baron days, the only rail line to some city, Manhattan, I think, was cut off because of a trade dispute and a lot of people ended up getting injured because enough food and other supplies could not be imported before the dispute was over.
    The robber barons were the creation of government favoritism and corruption, and property thus acquired is not legitimate.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A right is a moral or righteous claim on or to something.

    For instance, your life is something you have a moral or righteous claim to.
    That only works if it's accepted on a societal level. An individual can claim any "right" they want, whether or not they can achieve it often depends on whether or not those around him accept it as well.

    If a "right" is nothing more than something you want, then the word really loses all meaning.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And if we had socialized medicine, the VA, Medicaid, etc, those doctors are voluntarily employed.
    The military is a Constitutionally permissible government agency. If you consent to be governed by the Constitution, you can hardly claim that paying taxes for the military is coercive or immoral.

    That is truely frightening.
    Not really. Individuals should be responsible for their own well-being.

    There are some moral absolutes that seem hard wired into our brain, but most of morality is in many ways an artificial construct, like society or money. It exists because we believe in it. So, if we generally agree that something is moral, than it is.

    If we want to go hard core socialism, hard core capitalism, something in between, or something else, if the majority think its right, than its right, at least for that society.

    Disclaimer: I am referring to economics systems here.
    That's fine. I'm not saying you have to agree with my moral sentiments. If you don't like individual liberty you're welcome to your opinion, however wrong it may be...

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    A right is a moral or righteous claim on or to something.

    For instance, your life is something you have a moral or righteous claim to.
    Based on this definition, IMO, there is nothing that someone has a right to, though I agree with rivrrat. One has the right to try to obtain any of the things you mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That only works if it's accepted on a societal level. An individual can claim any "right" they want, whether or not they can achieve it often depends on whether or not those around him accept it as well.

    If a "right" is nothing more than something you want, then the word really loses all meaning.
    A right is not something you want; not once have I said such a thing.

    A right is a righteous or moral claim on or to something. Obviously, people can disagree about what's "moral" or "righteous", and that's perfectly reasonable, but unless you are a nihilist or fascist I don't think you'd have much reason to argue against the morality of individual liberty. Thomas Jefferson defines "liberty" quite well:

    Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.
    So, Cephus, do you personally agree with his notion of liberty and do you think it is a valid moral basis for our society? If not, you're free to state why.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Rights don't cost money. Resources do. Thats why food, homes, water, healthcare etc....are not rights. They are resources. Just because we have the right to bear arms, that does not infer that everyone be given a gun if they can't afford to arm themselves.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Based on this definition, IMO, there is nothing that someone has a right to, though I agree with rivrrat. One has the right to try to obtain any of the things you mentioned.
    Nothing? Not even their own life?

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Of the following, which do you feel is a "right", i.e., a moral claim on something?

    Health care.
    Food.
    Water.
    Other people's wealth.
    A job.
    A minimum or "living" wage.
    None of the above.
    Other.
    Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean there's a mandate for anyone to give it to you.

    Sometimes you have to take it, and when you do out of need, it's not a crime.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nothing? Not even their own life?
    Not in an absolute sense. If this was the case, we would not have the death penalty. Cephus makes sense around the societal part of the rights/morals issue. In the US, we do have a right to life as dictated in the Constitution... with the exception of those marked for death by the death penalty, but it was not always like this, and it is not like this everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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