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    39 34.82%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Just rules we made up.

    That is really sad that you would think that.
    To think otherwise is delusional.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean there's a mandate for anyone to give it to you.

    Sometimes you have to take it, and when you do out of need, it's not a crime.
    You might want to consider avoiding being tissue-typed, in case anyone with a bad heart and a compatible medical profile gets "ideas."
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    You might want to consider avoiding being tissue-typed, in case anyone with a bad heart and a compatible medical profile gets "ideas."
    After 5 years on this forum, it's a little to late to worry about it.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Just rules we made up.

    That is really sad that you would think that.
    What else is it? Was it handed down on tablets of stone that God himself inscribed? "Just making up rules" is kind of how law happens. The better you make them up, the longer they will be observed. So, to the drafters of the original, nice job!
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So.... you're stating that if you found yourself forced to practice some religion not of your choice, you'd take no exception to it at all, you'd not complain, even to yourself, and you'd happily accept it.
    Right?
    I didn't say I wouldn't complain, only that I could, in fact, be compelled to do so. If someone forced me at gunpoint to sit through a really awful movie, I'd complain about that too, but certainly, with a gun to my head, I could be forced to sit in the theater, or in a pew. Nobody says I have to like it.

    Reality is that -you- believe that you have rights and you will not be happy when they are violated, regardless of where or how.
    Thus, you DO buy into the idea of 'universal rights'.
    Isn't it amazing that you keep telling me what I believe. Hell, why don't you just go have both sides of the conversation, you seem to think you know it all anyhow.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl
    We are talking about the unalienable rights afforded by the U.S. Constitution that has made Americans the most free, most optimistic, most productive, and most prosperous people the world has ever known and that produced a society as classless as any the world had ever known.
    Unfortunately, he's not talking about just the United States, he is talking about Nepal and Iran, he's asserting that the rights that Americans enjoy are *UNIVERSAL*. They apply to everyone, everywhere, at every time in history, without exception. They apply equally to the black slave in the south in 1820 as they do to the modern-day American. If you could find a man on the moon, they'd apply to him as well.

    Clearly, this is not the case, rights exist and apply solely to the society which grants them. We in the United States do enjoy a nice set of rights, enumerated in our laws and founding documents. Those rights basically mean diddly squat once you take a step onto foreign soil, except where they are enforced by threats from the U.S. government. Those aren't really rights, those are "crap, we can't enforce our own laws because we might get bombed".
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, he's not talking about just the United States, he is talking about Nepal and Iran, he's asserting that the rights that Americans enjoy are *UNIVERSAL*. They apply to everyone, everywhere, at every time in history, without exception. They apply equally to the black slave in the south in 1820 as they do to the modern-day American. If you could find a man on the moon, they'd apply to him as well.

    Clearly, this is not the case, rights exist and apply solely to the society which grants them. We in the United States do enjoy a nice set of rights, enumerated in our laws and founding documents. Those rights basically mean diddly squat once you take a step onto foreign soil, except where they are enforced by threats from the U.S. government. Those aren't really rights, those are "crap, we can't enforce our own laws because we might get bombed".
    nobdy has rights anywhere but everyone has rights to anything.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    You have the rights to pursue happiness.

    Water is the only listed item on the poll that I feel people have the "rights" to.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by MidiPour View Post
    You have the rights to pursue happiness.

    Water is the only listed item on the poll that I feel people have the "rights" to.
    Everyone has the right to pursue happiness, because it's not something that anyone can prevent you doing. They can make the attainment of happiness nigh on impossible, but they can't stop you trying.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    What else is it? Was it handed down on tablets of stone that God himself inscribed? "Just making up rules" is kind of how law happens. The better you make them up, the longer they will be observed. So, to the drafters of the original, nice job!
    When you change the rules of the game in midstream in order to give yourself a better chance to win, you are 'making up rules'. The Popes, the feudal lords, the monarchs, the dictators of the world have often done that in order to advantage themselves or solidify their power.

    But among free people laws are not 'rules that we make up'. They are solutions to problems or human conditions that exist. And if you are devoutly religious people, as were almost all of the Founders, you believe that God (by whatever name) is the highest authority, and God grants the rights that the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution were written to defend.

    It was intended, therefore, that every 'rule' that would guide our society would be targeted to accomplish the principles:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    So, the 'rules' were derived from much debate, logic, reason, and careful consideration all to protect and defend the rights that they believe to exist as God given.

    Not just something just 'made up' at all.
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