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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The right to vote, such as it exists, is a political right, and therefore requires action by the government to exercise it - just like the right to due process or the right to an attorney or the right to trial or to face your accuser. As such these rights exist ONLY because government exists, and are ONLY applicable to interactions with same. In this, the means to extercise these rights must be provided by the government, as that is the only way they CAN be exercised.

    This is a completely different animal than the right to life, liberty or property, which are inalineable (or natural or whatever), not political rights.
    I can't live, or have liberty, or have property if there is no domestic security. Somebody has to provide that security, and only the most powerful force will be able to consistently do so.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I can't live, or have liberty, or have property if there is no domestic security. Somebody has to provide that security...
    Yes. Ultimately, that task falls to you. if no one else provides it for you, then you are charged with providing it for yourself. If you fail, then you lose those rights to others who took them fom you.

    None of this creates an argument that since you have the right to life that you have the right to have other provides you with food.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    [quote=Goobieman;1058599706]
    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I can't live, or have liberty, or have property if there is no domestic security. Somebody has to provide that security...
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    Yes. Ultimately, that task falls to you. if no one else provides it for you, then you are charged with providing it for yourself. If you fail, then you lose those rights to others who took them fom you.

    None of this crates an argument that since you have the right to life that you have the right to have other provides you with food.
    Unless it had a utilitarian benefit toward preserving other rights, or rather, toward preserving freedom, the precondition of all rights.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Unless it had a utilitarian benefit toward preserving other rights, or rather, toward preserving freedom, the precondition of all rights.
    Not even then.
    You have the FREEDOM to live. That's it. The rest is up to you, and no one else. Thats why they call it the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of happiness.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    This is a completely different animal than the right to life, liberty or property, which are inalineable (or natural or whatever), not political rights.


    "inalineable" rights, or as most people call them, inalienable rights, are mythological in nature, nothing more.

    There are no inalienable rights.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Not even then.
    You have the FREEDOM to live. That's it. The rest is up to you, and no one else. Thats why they call it the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of happiness.
    Pursuing happiness assumes a capacity to pursue happiness; if people are not endowed with such a capacity, then a society which promises the right to be able to pursue happiness has to provide them with the capability.

    Same thing with living. It assumes the capacity to live; if somebody can't defend themselves against attack because they are crippled, a society which promises the right to live must see to their defense.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 03-04-10 at 03:37 PM.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "inalineable" rights, or as most people call them, inalienable rights, are mythological in nature, nothing more.
    There are no inalienable rights.
    Funny thing is, you dont believe this.
    You'd be the first to scream like a stuck pig if someone tried to take your inalienable rights away.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "inalineable" rights, or as most people call them, inalienable rights, are mythological in nature, nothing more.

    There are no inalienable rights.
    well technically there are, sorry i have to disagree with you, but everyone has the right to anything they want to own, have, or acchieve, MOST people just arent lucky enough to acchieve their goals.
    It's not rape if you scream "SURPRISE" first.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Pursuing happiness assumes a capacity to pursue happiness;
    No, it states that the freedom to do so exists.

    That some may or may not be able to do it, or that some can do it better than others, in no way changes the fact that the freedom to do so exists.

    Same thing with living.

    Now...
    if somebody can't defend themselves against attack because they are crippled, a society which promises the right to live must see to their defense.
    THIS is why we form government -- to protect out rights.
    Protecting rights and providing the means to exercise them are not the sane,m thing.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-04-10 at 03:39 PM.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, it states that the freedom to do so exists.

    That some may or may not be able to do it, or that some can do it better than others, in no way changes the fact that the freedom to do so exists.

    Same thing with living.
    Life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness, people have rights to those, but dont always acchieve them.
    It's not rape if you scream "SURPRISE" first.

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