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    39 34.82%
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    7 6.25%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Thanks for clearing up what you meant.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Every flavor of government would disagree with Carlin's assessment.
    Then your statement that "We have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time" is unsupportable.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Then your statement that "We have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time" is unsupportable.
    How is that?
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How is that?
    Simple:
    You claim that we have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time

    You agree that our flavor of government directly disagrees with this proposition.

    Thus, the government, according to itself, agrees that we have right, and that rights are not just 'temporary priviledges' given by said government.

    That is, our government openly agrees with the argument that we DO have rights that are NOT granted by said government - and so, you are wrong.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Simple:
    You claim that we have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time

    You agree that our flavor of government directly disagrees with this proposition.

    Thus, the government, according to itself, agrees that we have right, and that rights are not just 'temporary priviledges' given by said government.

    That is, our government openly agrees with the argument that we DO have rights that are NOT granted by said government - and so, you are wrong.
    I makes no difference if the government agrees or not. As the Japanese Americans found out from personal experience, so called "government rights" are just temporary privileges that can be taken away at anytime.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It makes no difference if the government agrees or not.
    Sure it does -- if the government disagrees that it is granting you privileges and agrees that you have rights that pre-exist government -- as our does -- then your proposition that we have no rights, only the privileges that the government gives us -necessarily- fails.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And yet, both were FAR harder to get than they are today. So much for that.

    The main point here is that having a right to x does not equate to having the right to have x provided to you by others.
    Therefore, the states have no responsibility to provide polling stations during elections, the people have to set up and count the votes themselves?

    Or, to maintain public forums for the expression of opinions? (aka, townhalls, freedom of speech, etc)

    The exercise of rights requires the world be a certain way. Sometimes the world is that way naturally, other times things are not so convenient.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure it does -- if the government disagrees that it is granting you privileges and agrees that you have rights that pre-exist government -- as our does -- then your proposition that we have no rights, only the privileges that the government gives us -necessarily- fails.
    If you believe in the fairy tale of "rights" more power to you!!
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Therefore, the states have no responsibility to provide polling stations during elections, the people have to set up and count the votes themselves?
    The right to vote, such as it exists, is a political right, and therefore requires action by the government to exercise it - just like the right to due process or the right to an attorney or the right to trial or to face your accuser. As such these rights exist ONLY because government exists, and are ONLY applicable to interactions with same. In this, the means to extercise these rights must be provided by the government, as that is the only way they CAN be exercised.

    This is a completely different animal than the right to life, liberty or property, which are inalineable (or natural or whatever), not political rights. Having a right to thse things does not equate to having the right to have these things provided to you by others.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-04-10 at 03:24 PM.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you believe in the fairy tale of "rights" more power to you!!
    Here's a news flash:
    You believe in what you call a "fairy tail" as well.

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