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  • Health care

    30 26.79%
  • Food

    35 31.25%
  • Water

    39 34.82%
  • Other people's wealth

    7 6.25%
  • A job

    17 15.18%
  • A minimum or "living" wage

    30 26.79%
  • None of the above

    61 54.46%
  • Other

    26 23.21%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And yet, both were FAR harder to get than they are today. So much for that.

    The main point here is that having a right to x does not equate to having the right to have x provided to you by others.
    If 'X' is water. And all of it is owned by someone else. They had better not be stingy. Better to be alive.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If 'X' is water. And all of it is owned by someone else. They had better not be stingy. Better to be alive.
    You have EVERY right to posess as much water as you want -- but it is up to you to provide the means to obtain that water, and no one else.

    I'm not sure how you think you have a right to someone else's property.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post

    I'm not sure how you think you have a right to someone else's property.
    Just do it the good old American way, declare them a threat to our security and occupy their ass.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just do it the good old American way, declare them a threat to our security and occupy their ass.
    Thank you for adding nothing of value to the discussion -- glad to see you continue to go with what you know.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Some peole seem to be under the mistaken impression that we have some kind of rights in this world. BS! We have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time.

    George Carlin on our "Rights":

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F1Lq1uFcAE"]YouTube- George Carlin - Rights[/ame]
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Some peole seem to be under the mistaken impression that we have some kind of rights in this world. BS! We have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time.
    Funny you say that, given that our particular flavor of government directly disagrees with this proposition.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Some peole seem to be under the mistaken impression that we have some kind of rights in this world. BS! We have temporary priviledges determined by your particular flavor of govermnent at the time.

    George Carlin on our "Rights":

    YouTube- George Carlin - Rights
    I bet you get your news from the Daily Show.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Funny you say that, given that our particular flavor of government directly disagrees with this proposition.
    Every flavor of government would disagree with Carlin's assessment. It's what Carlin correctly observes to be bull****, the glue that holds the world together!
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    the right to other peoples wealth isnt a right thats just if you get lucky, everything else makes sense. but they have the right but some people arent lucky enough to get all of them.
    It's not rape if you scream "SURPRISE" first.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    inalienable |inˈālēənəbəl|
    adjective
    unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor : freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights.
    The word, taken from the Declaration of Independence, is unalienable but it does mean inalienable meaning not to be separated or given away or taken away.

    Again, if you spend any time at all reading throught he documents left behind by the Founders/signers of the Constitution, you will see that rights that are not to be separated or given away or taken away are what the Constitution is all about. It secures and defends those rights so that the people will then be free to form whatever society they wish to form. No person, no religion, no government authority, no politicial group at the Federal level has any power to take it from them.

    And they identified nothing as an unalienable right that requires any involuntary participation or contribution by somebody else.

    I wasn't aware that 'the american ideal' was a written document that was effective law
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    "American ideal" is my metaphor for that irrefutable concept the Founders wrote into the Constitution as described just above.

    Thats the declaration of independence .
    Again we have to refer to the documents left behind by the Founders, but from those we see that the famous clause from the Declaration was transferred to the Preamble of the Constitution: " . . .and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

    You cannot identify a single clause in the Constitution that affords authority to the Federal government to take any time, talent, property, options, or opportunity from one citizen for the benefit of another or some group or special interest. The Constitution limits government to perform the administrative and regulatory tasks assigned to it, provide the common defense, and promote the general welfare. The Founders were explicit that the general welfare referred to all citizens regardless of political or socioeconomic standing and not a selected few.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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