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  • Health care

    30 26.79%
  • Food

    35 31.25%
  • Water

    39 34.82%
  • Other people's wealth

    7 6.25%
  • A job

    17 15.18%
  • A minimum or "living" wage

    30 26.79%
  • None of the above

    61 54.46%
  • Other

    26 23.21%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I think you're misinterpreting here. The animal acquires the right through its actions. Marking the territory is the ability, fighting off competitors is the ability. These abilities gain the right.

    Also, with the example of the alpha male, he is given a 'right' to the choicest part of the kill, a right he no longer has when he loses the ability to be the alpha male.
    I agree, and reiterate in my own words:

    If a right is authority, then that authority is given when a wolf demonstrates ability. When the wolf looses the ability, the authority is given to another.

    When a candidate is duly elected for the office of the President, that person then has the right to take office. No one can step in and say "even though Congress certified your electoral victory, you can't take office". That candidate has the authority to assume office and has various tools at hand to enforce such if necessary.

    If you fulfill the criteria to vote, meaning you can prove your citizenship and residency, then you have the right to vote. No one has the authority to step in and keep you from voting when you have demonstrated that you fulfill the criteria.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-02-10 at 04:34 PM.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I say healthcare, food, water, and "other." As a society everyone has the right to healthcare, to food, to water....
    Yes.
    What you do NOT have a right to is to have these things provided to you by somene else -- THAT is a pivilege.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    And, as sociologists would claim, the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.
    Which is absolutely false.
    All powers posessed by the state are derived from a right posessed by the people of that state. This includes the legitimate use of force.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I wasn't invited to be on that Charter, when the boat sailed I still had my integrity. I'd no desire to be on the same boat as China, Somalia, and Libya as they sit on the UN Human Rights Commission.

    I guess I'll just have to use my own common sense to decide what constitutes a violation of human rights.

    Stealing guns is one of them.
    And in a country where they dont recognize those rights...do those citizens HAVE the same rights?

    This argument has become quite tiresome...more 'agree to disagree.'

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    The correct answer is...

    Other: I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And that is all.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes.
    What you do NOT have a right to is to have these things provided to you by somene else -- THAT is a pivilege.
    Somebody once wrote that the entire U.S. Constitution was written to secure the unalienable rights of American citizens. And an unalienable right is that which requires no contribution from another person other than his/her non interference.

    My rights end at the precise point at which your rights are infringed or threatened.

    So, IMO, you are correct that there is no right written into the American ideal that somebody else would be required to provide what somebody else wants or even needs.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 03-03-10 at 01:47 AM.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Which is absolutely false.
    All powers posessed by the state are derived from a right posessed by the people of that state. This includes the legitimate use of force.
    That's true, only because the state is an extension of the people themselves. I'm really tired of people acting like the state is a foreign body that has nothing whatsoever to do with the society which placed it in power.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Somebody once wrote that the entire U.S. Constitution was written to secure the unalienable rights of American citizens. And an unalienable right is that which requires no contribution from another person other than his/her non interference.
    inalienable |inˈālēənəbəl|
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    unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor : freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights.

    So, IMO, you are correct that there is no right written into the American ideal that somebody else would be required to provide what somebody else wants or even needs.
    I wasn't aware that 'the american ideal' was a written document that was effective law.

    Other: I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And that is all.
    Thats the declaration of independence .

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Our Fore Fathers didn't address the right to food and water, because in their day, it had not yet become so completely owned. Hunting areas and game were plentiful. Water was in great supply compared to the population of the time.

    Since then, the Army Corp of Engineers has built hundreds of dams designed to fail, all around the country's waterways. Hunting is extremely limited. A duck is much cheaper at the store compared to the licenses and stamps required to shoot one.

    We refer to water, sewer, commissaries, and the electric power grid as our infrastructure. That being a system of necessities, built by, and for use by our collective butts. Actually, just the collective butts of what we call productive Americans. Nonproductive Americans need the infrastructure too, so we try to help them until they can help themselves.

    Anyone who doesn't believe that food and water are American rights, needs to get out of the 19th century.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Our Fore Fathers didn't address the right to food and water, because in their day, it had not yet become so completely owned. Hunting areas and game were plentiful. Water was in great supply compared to the population of the time.
    And yet, both were FAR harder to get than they are today. So much for that.

    The main point here is that having a right to x does not equate to having the right to have x provided to you by others.

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