View Poll Results: I have a "right" to...

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  • Health care

    30 26.79%
  • Food

    35 31.25%
  • Water

    39 34.82%
  • Other people's wealth

    7 6.25%
  • A job

    17 15.18%
  • A minimum or "living" wage

    30 26.79%
  • None of the above

    61 54.46%
  • Other

    26 23.21%
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Im saying they pay taxes... you're jumping the gun.
    No, I'm not jumping anything.

    No one has any right to demand services they can't pay for. The service providers are not slaves, the tax payers are not slaves, not in a free country.

    there are specific limits on what the federal government is allowed to do. Providing almost all services listed in the poll are banned.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I only voted for a living wage.. not even food.

    IF you do get a job (and you're a citizen), you are entitled to a minimum or fair wage.
    Slave/near slave labor isn't fair.
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    People that don't like the wages offered for the job have the right to refuse employment and seek other lines of work.

    They don't have a right to command wages from their employer. It's not their money until they do the work to earn it, at a rate mutually agreed upon before work commences.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Pardon my hippie mind, why are people saying that they aren't rights?
    Because rights don't have price tags or labor negotiations.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Funny guns are a right in this country... does that mean they are free?
    Funny, the phrase is "right to keep and bear arms", not "right to be given and bear arms."

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Lets apply the concept in an inverse manner... can we withhold people from having food?
    Yes.

    It's called "ya don't work, ya don't eat". And it has historical basis in the history of the Jamestown colony.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You ONLY have the 'right' but because we have a constitution that guarantees it. You DONT have that same right in other countries.
    No.

    Other countries deny the expression of that right, they can't deny the right itself.

    That's called a human rights violation.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Yes... A right to bear arms...
    A right to access water
    A right to access food

    The right to bear arms is a right yet no one gets a gun for free
    The right to food is a right yet, you're saying people are going to expect to get it for free?

    If we don't have the right to food... then it follows that access to food can be restricted. No one has answered the argument in inverse so far.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You only have that right as a citizen of a country, governed by a document set in place centuries ago, that decided the rights of the individual should be paramount over the rights of the government.
    Hint: Governments do not have rights. Government is a group and group rights do not exist. What government is given is authority to exercise power.

    That's it.

    The Constituiton places specific permissions and restrictions on how government can use power.

    What all governments attempt to do is to expand it's available power to as far as the people government will allow. National Socialist Germany, the Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, North Korea, Iraq under Hussein, other places, all succeeded in getting government with no limits on power. What Obama and the Left seek in America is government with no limits on power. In the US this conflict is fought on one front as expansions of non-existent rights that expand government power at the expense of real rights.

    To put the blunt point on the matter, when a flaming libtard says "health care is a right", the FL is NOT saying "gee, people should not be legally denied a doctor's care by government edict". No, they're not saying that.

    When the flaming libtard says "healthcare is a right", the little animal means that "you, the taxpayer, are a greedy cheap selfish son of a bitch who has to pay a boatload more in taxes to make sure total strangers get medical care that doesn't cost them a dime."

    Whenever they say that this isn't what they mean, they're lying. The heart of socialist propaganda is the Lie.

    Well, health care isn't a right, no matter how often the Useful Idiots proclaim that it is. When their paradise of socialised medicine is imposed on the US, the first thing that will happen will be the establisment of budgets that lead to rationing of this "right".

    When the Second Amendment says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, it means the government isn't allowed to pass laws restricting a man's freedom to own and carry a gun.

    Thus, if the flaming libtards are saying that "health care is a right" but don't actually mean that you, the greedy cheapskate stingy selfish taxpayer will be gouged to provide free services for someone else, then their onus is to provide examples of how the government is actively moving to legally restrict health care access to Americans.

    No one disagrees that people who can pay their doctor should be denied access to health care, hence that aspect of "health care" as a right is moot. The discussion of health care or food or water or air or housing or heating as "rights" to be denied by legislative fiat is not on the table. What is implied by calling those "rights" is the presumption that someone else will pay for them.

    So, should anyone be required for someone else's health care/food/water/air/housing/clothing/transportation/recreation?

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Most people receive more in services and benefits than they pay out in taxes, and I'm not just talking about the minority who abuse the welfare system. Wealth is already redistributed in this way. The rich continuously pay out more for the rest of us, including the average middle class person.

    People pick on the poor as the leeches of society, but the majority of people are "leeches" (if you go by that definition). If people are truly against redistribution of other people's money, then they should petition for the abolition of taxation altogether. That way they can pay for high ways, the postal system, national security, and the military out of their own wallets when asked. And if they don't, then they can look forward to the rapid deterioration of infrastructure.

    The biggest threat to government is a population that is healthy and educated. If you are healthy then you have the vitality to protest causes; if you are educated then you are informed about the nature of the system you live in. Every American should want both of these things for all people in order to make the nation stronger.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My starting place is that all rights are biological imperatives, which living obviously is one. Everything an organism does is to live. Liberty and pursuit of happiness would apply to complex social structure...I don't see how we could find those rights among earthworms...so I'm not sure.
    Except it's clear that among animals, especially prey species, they don't have a "right to life" no matter what their biological imperative says. So long as some of them live long enough to breed and there are more surviving than dying, the species goes on. Rights don't enter into it.
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