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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I could prove with purely objective evidence that I have various rights.
    That's problematic, sorry. All you can demonstrate is that you have been allowed, in the past, to exercise certain rights. That doesn't guarantee that tomorrow, you will be able to do the same thing. At best, you can say you've *HAD* rights, not that you *HAVE* them.

    That's really the point though, rights can and do change over time, meaning they are products of society, not ethereal things that float around out there that people have whether they want them or not.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    If the only real right is the right to fight for what we want, then that would seem to reinforce this truth:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_urWSSZgwU"]YouTube- Starship Troopers Scene Citizens vs Civilians[/ame]


    "..force is violence, the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.....naked force as resolved more issues throughout history then any other factor."

    Hence the need for private gun ownership.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    I don't know if I'd call those rights. But some of that (like healthcare and such), can be implemented through the government if we wish to account for things like aggregated effects and such. I fear that sometimes maybe people will say things like "healthcare isn't a right" to remove it from debate. Well it may not be a right, but it's not like we can't still use the government to get better, more affordable, more available healthcare.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If the only real right is the right to fight for what we want, then that would seem to reinforce this truth:

    YouTube- Starship Troopers Scene Citizens vs Civilians


    "..force is violence, the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.....naked force as resolved more issues throughout history then any other factor."

    Hence the need for private gun ownership.
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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I fear that sometimes maybe people will say things like "healthcare isn't a right" to remove it from debate.
    The problem is both sides do this.

    "Heath care isn't a right" is not an argument against Health Care being provided by the government...

    That said, it IS an argument against someone saying "Health care IS a right", a typical argument used by those trying to push for the government providing health care.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Robert Heinlein gave me my political foundations. I didn't mind the co-ed showers either. But the idea that only veterans can vote is a great idea!
    At drill I caught one of the guys taking a look...I said "I won't ask if you don't tell", he blushed real bad and turned away

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    I like the idea of earning citizenship. Instead of attaining automatic citizenship by birth, a child of citizens would have to go through the same course immigrants have to, including taking the oath.

    If you're a poor immigrant coming to America for a better life, etc, then instead of forking over the money and waiting the time to take the course, you can sign up for the military and earn citizenship automatically after completing a few years.

    If you don't want to, that's fine, you're free to live here and pay a higher tax rate, not vote...maybe you should have to be a citizen to buy land.

    I think it's a win/win.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-01-10 at 12:35 PM.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    I guess one of the problems I have with the argument is context. Rights can either be a legal construct or they can be natural rights.

    If they are a legal construct, anything could be made to be a right. I don't see anything wrong with this, even though any right should be balanced with any burden it could potentially introduce, as a practical matter.

    If we are talking about natural rights, well don't really have any rights. Do you think a tiger cares about your rights when it is hungry and you are the only thing in sight? We have the right to try to stay alive and use force to accomplish our goals, but that's about it.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 03-01-10 at 12:29 PM.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem is both sides do this.

    "Heath care isn't a right" is not an argument against Health Care being provided by the government...

    That said, it IS an argument against someone saying "Health care IS a right", a typical argument used by those trying to push for the government providing health care.
    Exactly.

    Health care is not a right, but we should have various programs like SS and medicare with appropriate insurance regulation, tort reform, etc.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    At drill I caught one of the guys taking a look...I said "I won't ask if you don't tell", he blushed real bad and turned away
    We had a guy in our squad that had a 12" dick. We all took a look! We named him Trout. All his brains were in his johnson, cause he was a class 4 dumbass. You gotta love the communal showers.

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    Re: I have a "right" to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Exactly.

    Health care is not a right, but we should have various programs like SS and medicare with appropriate insurance regulation, tort reform, etc.
    I have it all: gov't funded co-op healthcare for the old, poor and sick, tort reform, ins company allowed across state lines... I haven't heard you comment on my healthcare proposal: http://vawhigs.org/dp/County%20Cooperatives.pdf

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