View Poll Results: Is a "party list" election "democracy" really a democracy?

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Thread: Is it a democracy when....

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    They did have majority.

    But anyways this is irrelevant to the point of the thread, which is asking about the blocking of small parties and individual politicians from taking place in parliament, and if that can really be called democracy. The issue of failed party politics is another thread alltogether.
    No it is not.

    Because democracy does not guarantee true plurality. For definition's sake, as long as the ruling regime has a majority of votes (50+1%) it is a democratic system. Regardless of how unfair it may seem to those who do not break the threshold
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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    No it is not.

    Because democracy does not guarantee true plurality. For definition's sake, as long as the ruling regime has a majority of votes (50+1%) it is a democratic system. Regardless of how unfair it may seem to those who do not break the threshold
    Points of democracy...
    -Rule of the PEOPLE(not just a majority tyrrany)
    -Equal access to power(point of this thread)
    -Freedom of political expression(which is blocked in party democracy, where single individuals do not have the possibility to represent their interests in government).
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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Since someone that can't get 4% isn't going to get elected anyway, what difference does it make?

    If someone's opinion is so extreme that less than four people in a hundred like the guy, why should the rest of the people be forced to grant his opinions official time in the legislature?
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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    In Europe this can be seen by bigger and bigger parties forming, and smaller once disappearing alltogether, while it in the US can be seen in the form that there are only two parties with no other parties having any chance.
    The United States has an avowed socialist, Bernie Sanders, a member of some idiotic socialist party or other, from Vermont, in the House. Of course, he votes to the right of the Democrats, but still, he's not "one of the Big Split Party That Likes to Act Like It's Two Parties Party.

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The United States has an avowed socialist, Bernie Sanders, a member of some idiotic socialist party or other, from Vermont, in the House. Of course, he votes to the right of the Democrats, but still, he's not "one of the Big Split Party That Likes to Act Like It's Two Parties Party.
    There are currently only 2 Senators not of either the GOP or the Democrats. Out of 100. That's not really proof of a viable multi-party system here in the U.S.

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    If a party is consistently elected to office with over half the votes, I really don't see how it isn't a democracy. You can quibble, but the facts are simple.

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Points of democracy...
    -Rule of the PEOPLE(not just a majority tyrrany)
    I think you must have democracy confused with something else. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    There are currently only 2 Senators not of either the GOP or the Democrats. Out of 100. That's not really proof of a viable multi-party system here in the U.S.
    I don't count Senators who got elected under one party and abandoned it, but didn't have the guts to join the other.

    Liarman at least was elected as an independent, though.

    And I'm not saying we have anything like a multi-party system, anyway. We don't need one. We need a functioning two party system, ie, two parties that are actually different.

    It would be nice to have to parties dedicated to the preservation of the Republic, even just one would a healthy change.

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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since someone that can't get 4% isn't going to get elected anyway, what difference does it make?

    If someone's opinion is so extreme that less than four people in a hundred like the guy, why should the rest of the people be forced to grant his opinions official time in the legislature?
    Because in democracy everyone should have equal access to power, not only the people who join and conform to a party and its politics...
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    Re: Is it a democracy when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I think you must have democracy confused with something else. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.
    The principle of the European council is something I highly like. Unanimous agreements.

    Not that we can have that in democracy. But we should only implement strategies,policies and goals that a large majority likes and want. Implementing policies that 50.1% likes and 49.9% hates is not REALLY democracy, is it?
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