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  • It reinforces the lesson

    51 63.75%
  • It teaches responsibility

    35 43.75%
  • It prepares us for real life

    21 26.25%
  • It does even more ...

    16 20.00%
  • It does NONE of these things

    21 26.25%
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Thread: What Does Homework Do?

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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is entirely possible to learn quite a bit without taking a course. But at the same accord, you are typically allowed opportunity to test out of a course and if you succeed you get credit for the course without having taken it. Otherwise, the University will need some documentation that you've met the requirements and that will come either by testing out or by taking the class. You can learn all you want outside of University, but you shouldn't expect a University degree for having done so.

    I did this myself. I added Chemistry as a second major (I had 2 majors and 3 minors...that's all the space they had on the form) later in my college career. Instead of taking the first year chemistry course, which I knew well from my 2 years of chemistry in high school, I tested out of the first year. I got credit for the class and was able to jump into the higher chemistry courses. I wasn't charged for testing out, there were forms, the University accepted it readily.

    Also, to avoid paying money in grad school, major in Physics, Chemistry, or Math (this may be true for biology too, but I don't know off hand). You get paid to go to grad school then.
    It depends on the program. Some don't let you test out. And trying to use previous coursework won''t work in some cases because they'll say that the course isn't identical because "this one is 'specifically tailored' to this degree".

    Big whoop. It's still the same math, but they make us write a paper about norming psychological tests. That means it's a different stats course than the other one's I've taken, apparently.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It depends on the program. Some don't let you test out. And trying to use previous coursework won''t work in some cases because they'll say that the course isn't identical because "this one is 'specifically tailored' to this degree".

    Big whoop. It's still the same math, but they make us write a paper about norming psychological tests. That means it's a different stats course than the other one's I've taken, apparently.
    There is some of that for sure. But overall I think there are paths open to get around it. In my example, my two years of high school chemistry didn't count towards any credit. But I was allowed to basically take the final exams of both semesters of 1st year chemistry. Which I aced no problem. And that was taken as credit for the course. I don't know your specific circumstance, so I don't know if your University would allow it. I think it's somewhat common though.

    In the end, though, the point is the same. The University will need on some level documentation that you've satisfied the requirements. While you can learn it on your own outside of the University, you cannot expect a University degree because of it. It is possible they will refuse to let you test out, and it's possible that this is because they are trying to extract more money. But there's also a practical issue which goes along side of this.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is some of that for sure. But overall I think there are paths open to get around it. In my example, my two years of high school chemistry didn't count towards any credit. But I was allowed to basically take the final exams of both semesters of 1st year chemistry. Which I aced no problem. And that was taken as credit for the course. I don't know your specific circumstance, so I don't know if your University would allow it. I think it's somewhat common though.
    I told you what I was told on it.

    In the end, though, the point is the same. The University will need on some level documentation that you've satisfied the requirements. While you can learn it on your own outside of the University, you cannot expect a University degree because of it. It is possible they will refuse to let you test out, and it's possible that this is because they are trying to extract more money. But there's also a practical issue which goes along side of this.

    The point is, they need documentation of an arbitrary "requirement". If it's a legit requirement, that's one thing, but most classes aren't legitimately required for a degree in a specific subject. They are added in order to force people to take more classes than necessary.

    My point is that if people want a well-rounded education, they should get a library card or take the courses on their own outside of their pursuit of a degree.

    Arbitrarily decided requirements imposed for unrelated degrees aren't increasing the level of education in the world. They merely increase the amount of dollars going to a school.

    Not all Universities allow you to test out of courses, and most don't have tests for certain courses. Many require you to have taken the course somewhere and don't allow for you to have gotten an at-home education.

    It's a waste of time, as a better education can be found at the library so long as the person has the drive.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    If people want a more well rounded education with the documentation to prove it, they should go to University

    If people want a more narrow focused education which concerns itself mostly with just courses of the major, they should go to College.

    You should not go to University and expect to do the work of a College institution and expect a University degree.

    Now if you want to talk about ass backwards crap, that would come in the form of the Graduate School. Which is making me redo my signature page because it wasn't justified correctly and my committee members had "Dr." in front of their names. That's completely inane as no one will ever read the signature page, the only important thing on the signature page is the signatures themselves. Functionally, that's the purpose. The committee and department sign off on my dissertation and say that I've met all the requirements. But the Graduate School is bureaucratic hell, and if your signature page isn't justified correctly or has a bolded date on it, they won't accept it. Then you have to run around again getting signatures on a new signature page which meets their requirements which they were incredibly vague on in the rules on how to construct the signature page......assholes!
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If people want a more well rounded education with the documentation to prove it, they should go to University

    If people want a more narrow focused education which concerns itself mostly with just courses of the major, they should go to College.

    You should not go to University and expect to do the work of a College institution and expect a University degree.
    If people are going to a school for an education, they are being retarded. You can get a better education for way less by picking up a varied array of textbooks and reading them.

    The only intelligent reason to go to any school is for a piece of paper that fools people into thinking that you have an education. In reality, all that piece of paper means is that you spent a lot of money to be told by someone else that you have to read a bunch of books and then they monitor you on whether or not you really read them.

    They might toss in some papers or tests to determine how well you understood what you read, but in truth it's all just reading in the end. Or listening to someone else's interpretation of the reading.

    Nothing that can't be achieved with a library card and a will to learn.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Now if you want to talk about ass backwards crap, that would come in the form of the Graduate School. Which is making me redo my signature page because it wasn't justified correctly and my committee members had "Dr." in front of their names. That's completely inane as no one will ever read the signature page, the only important thing on the signature page is the signatures themselves. Functionally, that's the purpose. The committee and department sign off on my dissertation and say that I've met all the requirements. But the Graduate School is bureaucratic hell, and if your signature page isn't justified correctly or has a bolded date on it, they won't accept it. Then you have to run around again getting signatures on a new signature page which meets their requirements which they were incredibly vague on in the rules on how to construct the signature page......assholes!
    That's basically the same thing in principle to what I'm dealing with regarding my stats class. It's all bull****.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, that sort of stuff is ok...but then you never know if you've ****ed up unless you can understand the numbers as well. Engineers....they kinda take the easy way out. But by doing so, lose out on a lot of information. Not the top engineers mind you, those guys tend to be remarkable. But the average ones. And it happens a lot, it's important to know the math and understand the numbers. Otherwise, you're not much above a monkey.
    I understand the numbers, just not that complicated. Simple formulas in every day life are one thing, advanced algebra is another.

    I don't think most people even get past basic college algebra. For my major I did not need to, and that was it for me. Multiplying a fraction is one thing, advanced physics computation is another, lol.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Autocad and drafting aren't carpentry. It's much easier to draw it up with a computer than it is to put it up in reality.

    For example, let's say you got a 8/12 roof with a an 8ft ceiling. The outside wall is staggered in 1 ft 9 inches, but the overhang of the roof is unstaggered.

    I'm going to have to raise the height of the staggered in portion of the wall by a certain amount of inches so that I can rest my rafters on it. (these types of things are almost always missing on the prints, so we basically have to figure it out on the job)

    To describe the algebra involved, we are moving in 1 foot 9 inches or 21 inches inward (which relates to the 12 portion of the 8/12 pitch). X will equal the height I need to raise the inner portion of the staggered wall to set the rafters on and that relates to the 8 of the 8/12 pitch.

    So the known numbers are 21 inches, 12 inches, and 8 inches. The unknown is X

    To find my ratio for this I divide take 21/12 * 8 = X

    21/12 = 1 and 9/12 = 1 and 3/4. 1 and 3/4 * 8 = 14 inches.

    Then I have to raise the bird's mouth on the rafters for this portion of the roof to suit the raised walls, thus keeping my overhang even throughout while staggering the inside wall.

    It gets really complicated if the rafters are Jack rafters and not common rafters.
    I see your point and agree.

    Still hated homework and it still is not needed.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Algebra and numerical analysis are two different things though. I honestly can't see what's hard about any form of algebra. It usually comes down to just moving things in an equation around. Or in linear algebra, simply setting up a matrix. I think most people can get through University algebra if they apply themselves well enough. It may be harder for some than others, but at the same accord it's not so tough as to completely leave everyone behind.
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    Re: What Does Homework Do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Algebra and numerical analysis are two different things though. I honestly can't see what's hard about any form of algebra. It usually comes down to just moving things in an equation around. Or in linear algebra, simply setting up a matrix. I think most people can get through University algebra if they apply themselves well enough. It may be harder for some than others, but at the same accord it's not so tough as to completely leave everyone behind.
    Well it comes naturally to some and not others. I have a problem with memorization, so the formulas involved were very tough for me to remember even with notes. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Yet I love geometry and trig, go figure?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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