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Thread: Were we better off before industrialization?

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    I've always felt lucky like we are alive during the greatest time to be alive on Earth. That we are at the pinacle of the best of times.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I've always felt lucky like we are alive during the greatest time to be alive on Earth. That we are at the pinacle of the best of times.
    Do you think people in America around 1788 felt the same way?

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Do you think people in America around 1788 felt the same way?
    Not if they lived through the Revolution.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    yeah sweat shops are awesome (I am not being sacastic)
    Glad to hear it. I think the same way. People agree to work there because it is better than the miserable poverty that they are coming from.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Glad to hear it. I think the same way. People agree to work there because it is better than the miserable poverty that they are coming from.
    That's an awesome position.

    Sure, I know you are hungry and here is a whole loaf of bread. Oh, you can't have it, you can just have enough so that you don't die. Sure, you'll suffer, probably get sick and die but at least I'll get some work out of you first.

    People are just animals so why treat them any different right? As long as you got lucky, **** everyone else!! WOOHOO!!!!

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Not if they lived through the Revolution.
    Why is that? They survived a war of independence and had a new country of their own with vast resources and basically no law or limits. Frontiersmen and pioneers had the in ultimate freedom.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    That's an awesome position.

    Sure, I know you are hungry and here is a whole loaf of bread. Oh, you can't have it, you can just have enough so that you don't die. Sure, you'll suffer, probably get sick and die but at least I'll get some work out of you first.

    People are just animals so why treat them any different right? As long as you got lucky, **** everyone else!! WOOHOO!!!!
    No, you don't get it. People are going to get paid according to what they produce. They take those jobs because they can get more than they were getting as subsistence farmers. If you want them to get food then give them food. Don't tell me that it's the employer's job to feed them. If you feel bad then YOU do something about it. Don't put the responsibility on someone else and then make them feel guilty about not doing something that you feel they should.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No, you don't get it. People are going to get paid according to what they produce. They take those jobs because they can get more than they were getting as subsistence farmers. If you want them to get food then give them food. Don't tell me that it's the employer's job to feed them. If you feel bad then YOU do something about it. Don't put the responsibility on someone else and then make them feel guilty about not doing something that you feel they should.
    No, YOU don't get it. People will do unbelievable things when they are desperate and people who take advantage of that need to be stripped of their ability to own, run or manage a business, as punishment. Let me put it this way, if YOU wouldn't do the job for the pay then you are taking advantage of another human for your own personal greed.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    In the real world I think it is moral for a people to interdict upon the market if they must to raise the standard of living and the work environment. Also some people in sweatshops are structurally unemployed from their traditional employment, women and children also tend to be victimized.

    Purchase of items from these places is immoral, who cares if you have to pay 50c more for a pair of slippers made by manual female labor from djibouti. It increases the standard of living of the workers drastically as many of these products are sold internationally for dozens of times the price anyways. Markets be damned. We have governments that must represent even their poorest peoples and have some influence on the economy to account for it.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No, YOU don't get it. People will do unbelievable things when they are desperate and people who take advantage of that need to be stripped of their ability to own, run or manage a business, as punishment. Let me put it this way, if YOU wouldn't do the job for the pay then you are taking advantage of another human for your own personal greed.
    They are desperate because being a subsistence farmer sucks and basically anything is better. Let's be glad that sweatshops give them an option. Then they can accumulate wealth and raise their standard of living much quicker than they are now.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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