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Thread: Were we better off before industrialization?

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Back to the thread...

    Before the industrialization lethal diseases were pretty much common place, child mortality was high, most people worked from sun up to sun down, and the only people that had leisure time were the rich. What do you think?

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Then a competitor cleans their clocks by attracting more, better quality workers by offering better jobs.
    Firstly, if there's a job shortage in the market, attracting "more" laborers isn't an issue. As to "better quality", if it's a job with little entry requirements, like a factory job, there's usually no good way to gauge "better" workers.

    You can call sweatshops inhuman all you want, they're still a lot better than what those people have.
    Just because they're better than the status quo, that doesn't mean they couldn't be even better, by offering safer conditions, or more pay, or more practical schedules. Better than nothing doesn't equal good.

    Stop comparing what those people have to what you do. They usually don't have the luxury of 4 year degrees or safe drinking water. Again, I've asked for a better way to get these people out of poverty. I've yet to hear a response.
    Factories that treat people as people and not a commodity would be a start.
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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Back to the thread...

    Before the industrialization lethal diseases were pretty much common place, child mortality was high, most people worked from sun up to sun down, and the only people that had leisure time were the rich. What do you think?
    That was not the case in the americas, however.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Back to the thread...

    Before the industrialization lethal diseases were pretty much common place, child mortality was high, most people worked from sun up to sun down, and the only people that had leisure time were the rich. What do you think?
    Nearly everyone has some leisure time now, and the rich have more money to spend in their leisure time?
    Education.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    That was not the case in the americas, however.
    i think he was refering to europe and asia
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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    i'd love to live the life that the Australian Aborigines had, i already love going bush, so living in it would be no sweat for me
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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i'd love to live the life that the Australian Aborigines had, i already love going bush, so living in it would be no sweat for me
    Too bad Australia is being sold off to China......

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Must be easy enough to get the folks who work in sweatshops to agree to it. They don't feel exploited when they're getting paid multiple times what local businesses usually pay.
    So because you are able to take advantage of someone, you should. We already know this about corporatists, got anything new?

    Then why the Hell are you equating a job that has two individuals agreeing on with actual slavery? My great grandfather was also a fisherman.
    Umm, because taking advantage of a persons situation in order to profit is a form of slavery. If the option is to die or work like a dog in unsafe conditions for what amounts to owing the company store... either you can't understand it or won't... I'm gonna go with intellectual dishonesty.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Then what am I suppossed to do? Why can't I agree to a lower wage if the employer is willing to pay it?
    Because we have things called standards.

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    Re: Were we better off before industrialization?

    Umm, because taking advantage of a persons situation in order to profit is a form of slavery.
    No it isn't; it's exploitation.
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