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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by idk View Post
    Right, but in such a generalized query, you are expected to make a few assumptions. I assumed the OP was wondering if we should begin to establish a base on the moon in the next decade or two.
    And such a time frame wouldn't qualify for a "Yes" in your book?

    10-20 years from now is too soon?
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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    And such a time frame wouldn't qualify for a "Yes" in your book?

    10-20 years from now is too soon?
    Major space organizations capable of establishing a moon colony plot and construct their projects decades in advance. If you want a moon colonization program to begin initial construction by, say, 2025, you need to begin allocating budget resources today. That means rejecting major (and far cheaper) space program proposals to make room for the vastly more expensive sustained manned spaceflight programs.

    Putting a person on the moon is a time consuming and costly endeavour. Keeping a person on the moon is many times more expensive. Couple this with the impending retirement of the US shuttle program (meaning after September, NASA will have no means of even sending people into orbit) and any moon colonization program in the near future is absurdly impractical.

    I feel the space program will be stunted by the albatross that is sustained manned spaceflight. There are many deserving projects that offer to reveal the true nature of the universe, and most of those proposals would be rejected.

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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well, actually, there are scientific advantages to having a base on the moon.

    Low gravity environment.

    Minimal atmosphere.

    And probably some other reasons we don't know about and won't until or unless we DO put a base on the moon.
    But we practically know everything there is to know about the moon. There are high altitude desert telescopes that work fine, there are in orbit telescopes that do the same job, just fine. A low gravity environment has few if any applications for scientific research that cannot be applied on earth or on a space station.

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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    But we practically know everything there is to know about the moon. There are high altitude desert telescopes that work fine, there are in orbit telescopes that do the same job, just fine. A low gravity environment has few if any applications for scientific research that cannot be applied on earth or on a space station.
    Perhaps.

    I'm just saying that your statement of "...theres no scientific advantage to having a base on the moon..." was incorrect.

    Those scientific advantages may be minimal and unnecessary in your opinion, but they exist.

    And we can't know if there are other advantages unless we try to find out.
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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm just saying that your statement of "...theres no scientific advantage to having a base on the moon..." was incorrect.
    The Space Review: Moonbase why

    It isn't incorrect...

    Unless you're talking about purported technological advancements that are still science fiction.

    They're certainly not going to land there and go "Lets look for some advantage to what we just did."

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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    They're certainly not going to land there and go "Lets look for some advantage to what we just did."
    Yes, that's exactly what they'll do. That's exactly why they would go.

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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The Space Review: Moonbase why

    It isn't incorrect...

    Unless you're talking about purported technological advancements that are still science fiction.

    They're certainly not going to land there and go "Lets look for some advantage to what we just did."
    Well, the thing is that whenever NASA has been tasked to perform some space exploration endeavor, they need to invent some technologies in order to accomplish that task. "Necessity is the mother of invention," as it were. The technologies that are invented because of space exploration are then used for private industry for use in consumer goods. Here are just a few from this site.

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    ENRICHED BABY FOOD - A microalgae-based, vegetable-like oil called Formulaid developed from NASA-sponsored research on long duration space travel, contains two essential fatty acids found in human milk but not in most baby formulas, believed to be important for infants' mental and visual development.

    WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM - NASA-developed municipal-size water treatment system for developing nations, called the Regenerable Biocide Delivery Unit, uses iodine rather than chlorine to kill bacteria.

    SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES - A modified version of a dual ion beam bonding process developed by NASA involves coating the lenses with a film of diamond-like carbon that not only provides scratch resistance, but also decreases surface friction, reducing water spots.

    POOL PURIFICATION - Space technology designed to sterilize water on long-duration spacecraft applied to swimming pool purification led to a system that uses two silver-copper alloy electrodes that generate silver and copper ions when an electric current passes through them to kill bacteria and algae without chemicals.

    RIBBED SWIMSUIT - NASA-developed riblets applied to competition swimsuits resulted in flume testing of 10 to 15 percent faster speeds than any other world class swim-suit due to the small, barely visible grooves that reduce friction and aerodynamic drag by modifying the turbulent airflow next to the skin.

    GOLF BALL AERODYNAMICS - A recently designed golf ball, which has 500 dimples arranged in a pattern of 60 spherical triangles, employs NASA aerodynamics technology to create a more symmetrical ball surface, sustaining initial velocity longer and producing a more stable ball flight for better accuracy and distance.

    PORTABLE COOLERS/WARMERS - Based on a NASA-inspired space cooling system employing thermoelectric technology, the portable cooler/warmer plugs into the cigarette lighters of autos, recreational vehicles, boats, or motel outlets. Utilizes one or two miniaturized modules delivering the cooling power of a 10-pound block of ice and the heating power of up to 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

    SPORTS TRAINING - Space-developed cardio-muscular conditioner helps athletes increase muscular strength and cardiovascular fitness through kinetic exercise.

    ATHLETIC SHOES - Moon Boot material encapsulated in running shoe midsoles improve shock absorption and provides superior stability and motion control.

    Other spinoffs in this area include: Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, and quartz crystal timing equipment.
    So technologies used in space exploration can then be used in many unexpected ways for private sector industries to provide goods and services to the public.

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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The money spend on the Iraq war could have created a huge scientific base on the moon, and mars, and created several space stations, and created many new space telescopes, a new shuttle program and other things..

    So, what is actually wasted money?

    Put things in perspective, thats what the peope of the US have great problems with these days... I would say also Europeans, but to a slightly lesser degree.
    Are you kidding? A huge scientific base on Mars alone would cost a ridiculous amount of money. We can't even send people to the Moon and you're talking like we could have put up a scientific base on Mars for the price of the Iraq war. While much could have been bought or paid for by saving money on the war, this is not one of them.

    So yes, please put things in proper perspective.
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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Moon potential goldmine of natural resources

    Also applies to asteroids and other moons.
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    Re: Should we establish a scientific base on the moon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Moon potential goldmine of natural resources

    Also applies to asteroids and other moons.
    You do realize the energies we're talking about to be able to mine and bring things back to earth, right? Not to mention the radical increase in our technologies? None of it's feasable right now, we can't mine asteroids, we can't house people on the moon. Fighting gravity is HUGE work and you'll have to do it every time you want to leave, and what are we getting in return? It's not going to be worth it yet. This whole moon base/mining space thing is pure fantasy. You may as well claim you're a level 12 paladin with a +3 flaming bastard sword and 35 AC.
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