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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Oh come on, "Obama's a socialist" is one of the biggest rallying cries the GOP keeps saying. You can't deny that (well, not without looking silly).
    Which doesn't really bear one way or another on my point.

    If I claimed that Obama was a socialist because he was trying to implement socialist policies in areas that have traditionally not been socialist, how is that incompatible with my support for public parks, etc.? I'm not saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports some forms of socialism which is uniformly bad," I'm saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports more socialist policies than most."
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which doesn't really bear one way or another on my point.

    If I claimed that Obama was a socialist because he was trying to implement socialist policies in areas that have traditionally not been socialist, how is that incompatible with my support for public parks, etc.? I'm not saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports some forms of socialism which is uniformly bad," I'm saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports more socialist policies than most."
    So it's not that he is socialist, it's that you don't like the kind of socialist he is?
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So it's not that he is socialist, it's that you don't like the kind of socialist he is?
    For the person I'm referring to, they'd probably say that he's more socialist than most. Things aren't yes or no, they're on a spectrum.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    How about none of the above?

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    For those of you who cannot stand the idea of a national health care program because it's socialism, which of these other socialist programs do you think we should eliminate?

    If you do not choose all of them, please explain why.
    We should get rid of everything just to watch those who complain start complaining about lack of services.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, that's national defense.

    Socialism is the threat to the nation, not the army.



    But defense expenditures usually constitutional, socialist security is not constitutional.



    Paying down the debt, then cutting taxes.

    There's no particular reason why the government should be spending the people's money when the people are perfectly capable of spending it themselves if they want to.



    Yes. Socialist Security should be cut by 100%. The Defense Budget should be reviewed annually and only those necessary expenditures should be made. I'd say we should have a committee looking at this, but we already do, we just need to make Congress do their job for a change.



    National defense.

    There is no justification for socialism.
    I generally agree(for the US, but I myself like socialism, and I am happy about having it in Europe), except a state defense system which is not a peoples militia is against the constitution and also socialism.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which doesn't really bear one way or another on my point.

    If I claimed that Obama was a socialist because he was trying to implement socialist policies in areas that have traditionally not been socialist, how is that incompatible with my support for public parks, etc.? I'm not saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports some forms of socialism which is uniformly bad," I'm saying "Obama is a socialist in that he supports more socialist policies than most."
    So you have no problem with socialism per se, just some socialism? Hey, me too! I'll bet even Obama agrees with that!

    You know, every time one of these things was implemented it was "in areas that have not traditionally been socialist".

    So in all these other instances when these things were passed, the majority of our politicians were all socialists because they supported that one socialist program. Right?

    Man! We sure have had a LOT of socialists here in America, haven't we?

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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    So you have no problem with socialism per se, just some socialism? Hey, me too! I'll bet even Obama agrees with that!

    You know, every time one of these things was implemented it was "in areas that have not traditionally been socialist".

    So in all these other instances when these things were passed, the majority of our politicians were all socialists because they supported that one socialist program. Right?

    Man! We sure have had a LOT of socialists here in America, haven't we?
    What part of this is hard to understand? There are very few people who are pure socialists or capitalists. Most recognize that a mix of the two generally leads to optimal outcomes, though there is plenty of debate as to where to draw the line. It's entirely rational to be a "capitalist" who accepts and even supports some socialist policies, just like it's rational to be a "socialist" who accepts and supports some capitalist policies. That doesn't mean that the capitalist can't object to some socialist policies or vice versa.

    You keep on acting like you've uncovered some brilliant new angle on the issue, but you're basically restating common sense.
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    Re: Which of these socialist programs should be eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What part of this is hard to understand? There are very few people who are pure socialists or capitalists. Most recognize that a mix of the two generally leads to optimal outcomes, though there is plenty of debate as to where to draw the line. It's entirely rational to be a "capitalist" who accepts and even supports some socialist policies, just like it's rational to be a "socialist" who accepts and supports some capitalist policies. That doesn't mean that the capitalist can't object to some socialist policies or vice versa.

    You keep on acting like you've uncovered some brilliant new angle on the issue, but you're basically restating common sense.
    Well, once more, this poll was specifically only for those (as I have said three times now) who object to health care SOLELY because it's "socialist". My question was "Why then don't you object to all these other socialist programs?"

    So I was debating you thinking you were one of those, but it's clear now that you're not.

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